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Potty Report 20 Jul 2013 11:41

Lorraine, you can search for these births and deaths on freebmd ( There are quite a few listed. The only Charles Bailey with a POB of Risely that I can find in the 1871 is aged 20 and living in Kent.


Lorraine Report 20 Jul 2013 09:33

Hello EverybodyI am STILL trying to find my gandfather's father, who he said was a Charles Bailey. Would anybody be kind enough to
try and find a Charles Bailey, born (and christened) any time between 1840 and 1855 in the Bedford, Bedfordshire area (preferably in Riseley). My grandfather wrote that he had been orphaned at an
early age, so perhaps you would be kind enough to look for a death of a Charles Bailey (born in Bedford) any time from 1871 until 1902.
(There was a Charles Bailey from Bedford in the1871 Census, but I could not trace him further). Grandfather Henry Bailey wrote that he had been born in Edmonton, so I suppose his father might have died anywhere, but more probably in the Bedford area or Middlesex.
Thank you from South Africa.


Potty Report 9 Apr 2013 11:49

Lorriane, probably the easiest way would be to post on your other threads (anything will do even one letter. This will bring that thread back up on the board; to copy, highlight the info using your mouse (hold down the left button on your mouse as you move it over the text), press the Ctrl and C keys together; open this thread, click in the reply box and press the Ctrl and V keys together to paste into the box.

I have copied this over from the thread Chris refers to as it gives another line of enquiry:

I have in my possession, obtained from the LMA a copy of the Admission
Register 1878 of The StrandUnion Children's Establishment, which reads
as follows:
No: 1608
Name: Bayley Henry (in the 1881 Census he is Henry Bailey)
Age: 8
Parish to which Char eable: St.Giles
Date of Admission: 24 May 1878
Whether at Workhouse School before, and how long: No
Whether in any other Schoolbefore, and how long: Infant
Date of Discharge: Blank
Observations: Transferred to New Book

I have had a search done at LMA by their researchers and thisNew Book
could not be found. A friend in London also searched but it seems that this particular book ismissing.
I suppose the only course one could follow would be to read through the Minutes of meetingsof the Board of The Children'sEstablishment, Edmonton, to see whether Henry Bailey was discharged, and when.
I know he" walked to London" soon after he was confirmed.
If I could perhaps find a Henry Bailey who was born, or perhaps lived at some stage in Hornsey, it might help, as the address on the 1884/5 photo I have of a brass band, of which Henry Bailey is a member, is 122, Turnpike Lane, Hornsey, London.


Lorraine Report 9 Apr 2013 08:17

Hi Potty and all the others who have kindly replied to my postings.
Potty, would you please be kind enough to explain to me how I transfer other threads to this thread, and also how to copy and paste only relevant information on other threads to this thread. I am battling!
I think it is old age catching up on me!
To everybody else you kindly replied to my postings, I am trying to get all the necessary information asked for and will reply as soon as possible.


jansmith Report 8 Apr 2013 17:03

this fits with 1871 census occupation of father the same
image gives birth as April 1869 so different to yours
6 Cape of Good Hope Mews

Henry Bailey
Record Type:
Baptism Date:
9 May 1869
Father's Name:
John Frederick Bailey
Mother's Name:
Louisa Bailey
Parish or Poor Law Union:
Holy Trinity Marylebone Road
Register Type:
Parish Registers

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 8 Apr 2013 14:18

(looking at below FMP)

First name(s): Henry
Last name: BAILEY
Calculated year of birth: 1874
Parish of birth: Edmonton
Town of birth: London
County of birth: Middlesex
Age at attestation: 19 years 4 months
Attestation date: 20 June 1893
Attestation corps: Medical Staff Corps
Attestation soldier number: 10092
Discharge rank:
Discharge corps:
Discharge soldier number:
The National Archives reference: WO97 / 4288 / 65

(red lines crossed through Fathers name, written underneath, no living relations, friend Myles? Willis, 17, Moray Road, Tollington Park, London)

Chris :)

edits (just adding, but could possiby have been posted previously, not sure)


Vicci Report 8 Apr 2013 13:54

slim chance ..1871

Name: Henry Bailey
Age: 3
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1868
Relation: Grandchild
Gender: Male
Where born: Great Stanmore, Middlesex, England
Civil parish: Bushey
County/Island: Hertfordshire
Country: England
Registration district: Watford
Sub-registration district: Bushey
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Household schedule number: 45
Piece: 1380
Folio: 66
Page Number: 10
Household Members:
Name Age
Charlotte Cock 64
Elizabeth Rees 27
Henry Bailey 3
Sarah Gravestock 62


Vicci Report 8 Apr 2013 13:38

could this be him in 1881
it's the right area

Name: Henry Bailey
Age: 12
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1869
Relation: Inmate
Gender: Male
Where born: Middlesex, England

Civil parish: Edmonton
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street Address: "Strand Union Childrens Establishment"

Employment status:

View image
Occupation: Scholar

Registration district: Edmonton
Sub-registration district: Edmonton
ED, institution, or vessel: The Strand Union Children Establishment
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 1391
Folio: 81
Page Number: 9


Vicci Report 8 Apr 2013 13:32

fyi 1891 census
WILSON, Charles Lodger Single M 49 1842 Clerk
Exeter, Devonshire VIEW
BAILEY, Harry Lodger Single M 20 1871 Kitchen Porter
Edmonton, London VIEW

Piece: 119

Folio: 8

Page: 11

Registration District: Pancras

Civil Parish: St Pancras

Municipal Borough:

Address: 28, Burton Street, St Pancras, London

County: London

Gwyn in Kent

Gwyn in Kent Report 8 Apr 2013 13:08

A linked thread..

Does the marriage certificate in South Africa show an occupation for Henry's father?

I find it strange that a father is stated as deceased on the military records and yet an address is shown for him....



Potty Report 8 Apr 2013 12:18

Hi Lorraine, in answer to your question, you should reply and thank everybody on this thread - they will all be able to see it.

You say you have other threads with info posted to them - you should really only have one thread per family, otherwise people will waste time looking for info that has already been found.

You will find all your threads by clicking on My Threads, under Tools at the left of the board. You can then select only the threads that you have started. It will be much more difficult for others to find all your threads.

Perhaps you could copy and paste relevant info to this thread.


Lorraine Report 8 Apr 2013 12:04

Hi everybody, thank you Helen, patchem and Londonbelle for your
prompt replies.
Firstly Helen: (since I wrote on GenesReunited quite a few months
ago the layout of the programme has changed, so I don't know whetherI must answer each person separately. Could someonplease advise me what procedure to follow - thanks)
Helen: Yes I got the name Henry Bailey from his marriage certificate, which took place in CapeTown, South Africa in October, 1903. I have
the original of this certificate. He married Alice Maud Lawrance, originally from Southampton, who came out to South Africa after the Anglo Boer war to marry him here. His place of birth is given as
England on the birth certificate of his son Henry Lawrance Bailey(my father,) in Cape Town in 1905. All the research that has been done over the past twelve years can be found on my various threads, but I don't know whether you can access them. In 2007 I went to England
to research my grandfather and obtained a copy of his army record
from The National Archives, Kew. Iknow all about his life as he wrote his memoirs not long before he died in 1958, and everything he wrote
in his memoirs was confirmed in his army record,
Short Service
7 years with theColors,and 5 years in the Reserve
No. 10092 Name: Henry Bailey Corps: Medical Staff Corps
Joined at Aldershot on 20th January, 1893
Born in the parishof Edmonton near the town of London
British Subject Age 19 years 4 months Occupation Waiter. All this information can be found in my various threads over the years.
He was discharged in Cape Town in 1905. He served in England,
Malta and South Africa (for the duration of the Anglo Boer War.
I havebeen unable to find a birth certificate for him. He wasorphaned at an early age and never found out who his parents were.
Inhisarmy records his father'sname is given as
Charles Bailey (deceased)
35 Burton Crescent,
London W 5
I have not been able to trace this Charles Bailey.I had long discussions with him before he died and everything he told me hasbeenproved to be true. But who was he? He searched the
records at Somerset House on various trips to England but could not
solve this mystery. He told me that when he was orphaned an "uncle" put him in a home, but after years of searching homes,workhouses, orphanages I have not been able to trace him. I have an old photo of a brass band,dated 1884/1884, in which he played the cornet, andthe address on the back is122 Turnike Lane, Hornsey, London, but I presume this is the stamped address of the photographer. Nobody
has been able to identify this brass band of youths in uniform.I hope this information is helpful -I have ordered many birth certificates but none turned out to be grandfather, and for Edmonton also had no luck.
I look forward to hearing from you - please let me know whether you
can find my various previous threads, because they have lots more
research that has been done.


Londonbelle Report 7 Apr 2013 18:07

Who did your Henry Bailey marry?


patchem Report 7 Apr 2013 18:00

Just for info, as unlikely, father is a traveller
Henry Charles Bailey
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 24 Feb 1876
Father's Name: Charles Henry Bailey
Mother's Name: Elizabeth Bailey
Parish or Poor Law Union: Paddington St Mary Magdalene
Borough: Westminster
Register Type: Parish Registers
no birth date in margin.


Gritty Report 7 Apr 2013 17:55

Hello Lorraine,

Not sure if I've understood- so bear with me! Henry Bailey is your Grandfather. Did you get this name from your parent's marriage or birth certificate?

How do you know the Army records you have are the correct ones?

Sorry- lots of questions- but just trying to sort what are facts, and what is maybe.



Lorraine Report 7 Apr 2013 17:38

Hi everybody,
I am still trying to find out whomy grandfather, Henry Bailey, was!
I am now concentrating on the possibility that he could have been
Henry Charles Bailey, as his army records, when he joined the Medical Staff Corps in 1893,he stated that his father was Charles
In the Free BMD records there is
Henry Charles Bailey Birth Sep Quarter 1873
Marylebone 1a 547.

Could somebody perhaps see if there is a baptism record of this Henry Charles Bailey, giving the father's name as Charles Bailey?Or a baptism record or any other Henry Charles Bailey born in the London area in circa 1873? My grandfather always thought his birthday was 4th July, 1873.
Thank you so much from South Africa


HeyJudeB4Beatles Report 15 Jan 2012 11:55

or this

Births Sep 1845 (>99%)

Bailey John Marylebone 1 198
Bailey John Marylebone 1 198


HeyJudeB4Beatles Report 15 Jan 2012 11:42

Or maybe not...a closer look at the 1871 census (reproduction is poor) is that Henry is a grandson...and therefore really possible that the John above is his father and it is possible that it's an F as well. And there is a birth that matches too....

Births Sep 1849 (>99%)

BAILEY John Frederic * 13 195


Andrew Report 15 Jan 2012 11:38

Same family in 1851

1851 England Census
about John F Bailey
Name: John F Bailey
Age: 7
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1844
Relation: Son
Father's Name: John F Bailey
Mother's Name: Frances A Bailey
Gender: M (Male)
Where born: Paddington, Middlesex, England

Civil parish: St Marylebone
Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street Address:


Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View image

Registration district: Marylebone
Sub-registration district: Christchurch
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 60
Piece: 1490
Folio: 387
Page Number: 10
Household Members: Name Age
John F Bailey 30
Frances A Bailey 30
John F Bailey 7
Francesh Bailey 3
Annette J Bailey 9 Mo



HeyJudeB4Beatles Report 15 Jan 2012 11:27

Ther are suggestions elsewhere that Thomas = Frances and Tosena (which is what "Louisa" is transcribed as is actually Laura

And there is an 1861 census to match...
Name:Frances Bailey
Estimated Birth Year:abt 1819
Spouse's Name:John Bailey
Where born:St Georges, Middlesex, England
Civil parish:St Marylebone
Ecclesiastical parish:St Mary
John Bailey 40
Frances Bailey 42
John Bailey 17
Frances Bailey 13
Annette Bailey 10
Laura Bailey 8
Sophia Bailey 6
George Bailey 1

So Lorraine...sorry I think it's back to square one for you!


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