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Lorraine

Lorraine Report 30 Jan 2010 14:23

I have a christening record of Henry Bailey as follows:
Henry Bailey
Birth 21 Feb. 1869
Christening 13 Feb1870 Saint Mary, Saint Marylebone, London,
England.
Parents:
Father: John Frederick Bailey
Mother: Louisa

I cannot find a a record of his birth, or where it took place. Can anybody perhaps help?

In the 1871 Census I have found the same Henry Bailey living at
8 Burton Place Marylebone with other family members:


Thomas Bailey Head W aged 62 Horsekeeper b. St. Georges
Louisa Bailey daughter aged 19 Dressmaker B. Marylebone
George Bailey Son age 11 b. Marylebone
John F (?) Bailey Son Mar. age 27 Cab proprieter b. Paddington
Henry Bailey G.Son age 2 B. Marylebone

I am also unable to find the marriage of John Frederick Bailey and his wife Louisa.

I found in BMD the following death:
Death June Q 1878: John Frederick W. Bailey Age 34 Fulham 1a 152

Could he be the father of Henry Bailey, born in 1969?

I know that Henry Bailey was orphaned at an early age.
Can anybody perhaps find any of the above people in the 1861 or 1891 Census, or perhaps the death of Louisa Bailey something between 1869 and 1878.
I have found a Harry Bailey (aged 8) admitted to Strand Union Children's Establishment, Edmonton from the Parish of St. Giles on 24th May, 1878.
In the 1881 Census there is a
Henry Bailey aged 12 at this establishment. (inmate)b. Middlesex

I am trying to find out whether the Henry Bailey christened in 1870 is the same perspon as Henry Bailey in the Strand Union, Edmonton, in 1881.

Granddaughter

Freewheel

Freewheel Report 30 Jan 2010 15:13

Birth may not have been registered - no penalties until 1875

Lorraine

Lorraine Report 15 Jan 2012 10:18

I am still trying to solve the mystery of who my grandfather Henry Bailey was! Have been searching for the last eleven years. Can anybody find out whether and when the parents of the Henry Bailey mentioned above, John Frederick Bailey and Louisa, were ever married. If their marriage can been traced, can anybody trace the death of Louisa?
You will see from above that I have found a John Frederick W. Bailey who died June Q. 1878,age 34 Fulham 1a 152. Grandfather was probably placed in the above orphanage after his mother died (if I am not barking up the wrong tree!) Thank you.

GlitterBaby

GlitterBaby Report 15 Jan 2012 10:26

Did you find any other children baptised to this couple

Lorraine

Lorraine Report 15 Jan 2012 11:02

Hello GlitteBaby

Unfortunately I do not have access to bapisms - somebody else gave me the above HenryBailey christening info.

My grandfather was always under the impression he was an only child, and was orphaned at an early age.

Lorraine

Lorraine Report 15 Jan 2012 11:02

Hello GlitteBaby

Unfortunately I do not have access to bapisms - somebody else gave me the above HenryBailey christening info.

My grandfather was always under the impression he was an only child, and was orphaned at an early age.

Andrew

Andrew Report 15 Jan 2012 11:13

Hmmm...

Looking at the 1871 census image 'Thomas' is female! and Housekeeper, not Horsekeeper.

Andy

HeyJudeB4Beatles

HeyJudeB4Beatles Report 15 Jan 2012 11:27

Ther are suggestions elsewhere that Thomas = Frances and Tosena (which is what "Louisa" is transcribed as is actually Laura

And there is an 1861 census to match...
Name:Frances Bailey
Age:42
Estimated Birth Year:abt 1819
Relation:Wife
Spouse's Name:John Bailey
Gender:Female
Where born:St Georges, Middlesex, England
Civil parish:St Marylebone
Ecclesiastical parish:St Mary
County/Island:Middlesex
Country:England
John Bailey 40
Frances Bailey 42
John Bailey 17
Frances Bailey 13
Annette Bailey 10
Laura Bailey 8
Sophia Bailey 6
George Bailey 1

So Lorraine...sorry I think it's back to square one for you!




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Andrew

Andrew Report 15 Jan 2012 11:38

Same family in 1851

1851 England Census
about John F Bailey
Name: John F Bailey
Age: 7
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1844
Relation: Son
Father's Name: John F Bailey
Mother's Name: Frances A Bailey
Gender: M (Male)
Where born: Paddington, Middlesex, England

Civil parish: St Marylebone
Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View image

Registration district: Marylebone
Sub-registration district: Christchurch
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 60
Piece: 1490
Folio: 387
Page Number: 10
Household Members: Name Age
John F Bailey 30
Frances A Bailey 30
John F Bailey 7
Francesh Bailey 3
Annette J Bailey 9 Mo




Andy

HeyJudeB4Beatles

HeyJudeB4Beatles Report 15 Jan 2012 11:42

Or maybe not...a closer look at the 1871 census (reproduction is poor) is that Henry is a grandson...and therefore really possible that the John above is his father and it is possible that it's an F as well. And there is a birth that matches too....

Births Sep 1849 (>99%)
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BAILEY John Frederic * 13 195

HeyJudeB4Beatles

HeyJudeB4Beatles Report 15 Jan 2012 11:55

or this

Births Sep 1845 (>99%)
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Bailey John Marylebone 1 198
Bailey John Marylebone 1 198

Lorraine

Lorraine Report 7 Apr 2013 17:38

Hi everybody,
I am still trying to find out whomy grandfather, Henry Bailey, was!
I am now concentrating on the possibility that he could have been
Henry Charles Bailey, as his army records, when he joined the Medical Staff Corps in 1893,he stated that his father was Charles
Bailey.
In the Free BMD records there is
Henry Charles Bailey Birth Sep Quarter 1873
Marylebone 1a 547.

Could somebody perhaps see if there is a baptism record of this Henry Charles Bailey, giving the father's name as Charles Bailey?Or a baptism record or any other Henry Charles Bailey born in the London area in circa 1873? My grandfather always thought his birthday was 4th July, 1873.
Thank you so much from South Africa
Lorraine

Helen

Helen Report 7 Apr 2013 17:55

Hello Lorraine,

Not sure if I've understood- so bear with me! Henry Bailey is your Grandfather. Did you get this name from your parent's marriage or birth certificate?

How do you know the Army records you have are the correct ones?

Sorry- lots of questions- but just trying to sort what are facts, and what is maybe.

Helen

patchem

patchem Report 7 Apr 2013 18:00

Just for info, as unlikely, father is a traveller
Henry Charles Bailey
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 24 Feb 1876
Father's Name: Charles Henry Bailey
Mother's Name: Elizabeth Bailey
Parish or Poor Law Union: Paddington St Mary Magdalene
Borough: Westminster
Register Type: Parish Registers
no birth date in margin.

Londonbelle

Londonbelle Report 7 Apr 2013 18:07

Who did your Henry Bailey marry?

Lorraine

Lorraine Report 8 Apr 2013 12:04

Hi everybody, thank you Helen, patchem and Londonbelle for your
prompt replies.
Firstly Helen: (since I wrote on GenesReunited quite a few months
ago the layout of the programme has changed, so I don't know whetherI must answer each person separately. Could someonplease advise me what procedure to follow - thanks)
Helen: Yes I got the name Henry Bailey from his marriage certificate, which took place in CapeTown, South Africa in October, 1903. I have
the original of this certificate. He married Alice Maud Lawrance, originally from Southampton, who came out to South Africa after the Anglo Boer war to marry him here. His place of birth is given as
England on the birth certificate of his son Henry Lawrance Bailey(my father,) in Cape Town in 1905. All the research that has been done over the past twelve years can be found on my various threads, but I don't know whether you can access them. In 2007 I went to England
to research my grandfather and obtained a copy of his army record
from The National Archives, Kew. Iknow all about his life as he wrote his memoirs not long before he died in 1958, and everything he wrote
in his memoirs was confirmed in his army record,
Short Service
7 years with theColors,and 5 years in the Reserve
No. 10092 Name: Henry Bailey Corps: Medical Staff Corps
Joined at Aldershot on 20th January, 1893
Born in the parishof Edmonton near the town of London
British Subject Age 19 years 4 months Occupation Waiter. All this information can be found in my various threads over the years.
He was discharged in Cape Town in 1905. He served in England,
Malta and South Africa (for the duration of the Anglo Boer War.
I havebeen unable to find a birth certificate for him. He wasorphaned at an early age and never found out who his parents were.
Inhisarmy records his father'sname is given as
Charles Bailey (deceased)
35 Burton Crescent,
London W 5
I have not been able to trace this Charles Bailey.I had long discussions with him before he died and everything he told me hasbeenproved to be true. But who was he? He searched the
records at Somerset House on various trips to England but could not
solve this mystery. He told me that when he was orphaned an "uncle" put him in a home, but after years of searching homes,workhouses, orphanages I have not been able to trace him. I have an old photo of a brass band,dated 1884/1884, in which he played the cornet, andthe address on the back is122 Turnike Lane, Hornsey, London, but I presume this is the stamped address of the photographer. Nobody
has been able to identify this brass band of youths in uniform.I hope this information is helpful -I have ordered many birth certificates but none turned out to be grandfather, and for Edmonton also had no luck.
I look forward to hearing from you - please let me know whether you
can find my various previous threads, because they have lots more
research that has been done.
Lorraine.

Potty

Potty Report 8 Apr 2013 12:18

Hi Lorraine, in answer to your question, you should reply and thank everybody on this thread - they will all be able to see it.

You say you have other threads with info posted to them - you should really only have one thread per family, otherwise people will waste time looking for info that has already been found.

You will find all your threads by clicking on My Threads, under Tools at the left of the board. You can then select only the threads that you have started. It will be much more difficult for others to find all your threads.

Perhaps you could copy and paste relevant info to this thread.

Gwyn in Kent

Gwyn in Kent Report 8 Apr 2013 13:08

A linked thread..
http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/genealogy_chat/thread/1096484

Does the marriage certificate in South Africa show an occupation for Henry's father?

I find it strange that a father is stated as deceased on the military records and yet an address is shown for him....

Gwyn

Vicci

Vicci Report 8 Apr 2013 13:32

fyi 1891 census
WILSON, Charles Lodger Single M 49 1842 Clerk
Exeter, Devonshire VIEW
BAILEY, Harry Lodger Single M 20 1871 Kitchen Porter
Edmonton, London VIEW

Piece: 119

Folio: 8

Page: 11

Registration District: Pancras

Civil Parish: St Pancras

Municipal Borough:

Address: 28, Burton Street, St Pancras, London

County: London

Vicci

Vicci Report 8 Apr 2013 13:38

could this be him in 1881
it's the right area

Name: Henry Bailey
Age: 12
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1869
Relation: Inmate
Gender: Male
Where born: Middlesex, England

Civil parish: Edmonton
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street Address: "Strand Union Childrens Establishment"
Education:

Employment status:

View image
Occupation: Scholar

Registration district: Edmonton
Sub-registration district: Edmonton
ED, institution, or vessel: The Strand Union Children Establishment
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 1391
Folio: 81
Page Number: 9