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Carlo Bossi

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Jeanette Report 2 Feb 2010 22:02

Full name Carlo Bossi
He was 30 years old in 1926. He was an Hotel waiter in London His fathers name was Alfredo. He married my mother in1926


TheLadyInRed Report 2 Feb 2010 22:37

so what do you want to know about him? There is no question here


Jeanette Report 1 Apr 2013 15:01

We only know about the marriage, I would like to know if they divorced, or he died or maybe immigrated. I believe he may have come from Pavia in Northern Italy. If anybody knows anything about him I would love to hear from you. Also the marriage took place in London Jan 1926. My mothers name was Rachel Penikoff.
she married my father in 1940 in Ireland. I believe she met my father in London about
the year 1932.


wisechild Report 1 Apr 2013 15:39

There appear to be 3 entries on the New York passenger lists on Ancestry for a Carlo Bassi, which may or may not be him.There is also an entry for a birth , Como & Lecco, Lombardy Italy on the Italian Registration records.
Don´t have worldwide Ancestry, so can´t look for you, but i´m sure someone on here will.


Dea Report 1 Apr 2013 15:50

According to the 1911 he was born in Milan (If this is the correct one) :

1911 census transcription details for: 3 Green Street W
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National Archive Reference:

RG14PN535 RG78PN18 RD7 SD1 ED20 SN79
Reg. District: St Marylebone
Sub District: All Souls
Parish: St Marylebone
Enum. District: 20
Address: 3 Green Street W
County: London
Name Relation Condition/
Yrs married Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born
CRIPPA, Ginseppe Single F 22 1889 Waiter Hotel Abilano
DANETTA, Giovanni Single F 23 1888 Waiter Hotel Maggisra
BOSI, Carlo Single F 20 1891 Waiter Hotel Milano

Dea x


MarieCeleste Report 1 Apr 2013 16:15

There's this one:

1930 United States Federal Census

Name: Carlo Bossi
Gender: Male
Birth Year: abt 1896
Birthplace: Italy
Race: White
Home in 1930: Manhattan, New York, New York
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Marital Status: Married
Immigration Year: 1929 <<<
Relation to Head of House: Lodger
Father's Birthplace: Italy
Mother's Birthplace: Italy
Occupation: Waiter <<<
Military service:
Rent/home value:
Age at first marriage: 28 <<
Parents' birthplace: Italy

Household Members:
Name Age
John C Wild 38
Carlo Bossi 34 <<<
Gertrude Sahomacher 29
Stefano Bomanyzaceki 25
Simon H Cravon 31
Costante Taverno 25
Jean Temble 21


MarieCeleste Report 1 Apr 2013 16:20

Never realised but there are loads of men called Carlo Bossi in US!

Could be hard to narrow it down.

Jeanette - what was your mother's marital status on the certificate for her remarriage? Was she widowed or divorced?


MarieCeleste Report 1 Apr 2013 16:32

The Como and Lecco results on Ancestry are misleading. There is a Carlo Antonio Bossi who was born and died 1897, father Luigi.

Also a Guiseppe Bossi born 1896, father Carlo.


MarieCeleste Report 1 Apr 2013 16:35

This fits the birthplace:

U.S., World War II Draft Registration Cards, 1942

Name: Carlo Bossi
Birth Date: 12 Oct 1895
Birth Place: Pavia, Italy
Residence: Long Island City, New York
Race: White

He worked Coq Rouge Restaurant, NYC.

Gave two addresses:
4508 40th Street, Long Island and 4705 55 Street, Woodside, Queens.

For the name of the person who would always know him he gave Domenico Ronzitti of the same address.


MarieCeleste Report 1 Apr 2013 16:44

This is the chap from the draft papers, don't know if he's the same one as the 1930 that I posted:

1940 United States Federal Census

Name: Charles Bossi
Age: 45
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1895
Gender: Male
Race: White
Birthplace: Italy
Marital Status: Single
Relation to Head of House: Lodger
Home in 1940: New York
Street: West 55 Street
House Number: 313
Farm: No
Inferred Residence in 1935: New York
Residence in 1935: Same Place
Resident on farm in 1935: No

Citizenship: Having first papers
Sheet Number: 21A
Occupation: Waiter <<
Attended School or College: No
Highest Grade Completed: Elementary school, 8th grade
Hours Worked Week Prior to Census: 54
Class of Worker: Wage or salary worker in private work
Weeks Worked in 1939: 52
Income: 520
Income Other Sources: Yes

Household Members:
Name Age
Louise Sicco 56
Antonio Ganassali 34
Sylvester Marrugg 45
Peter Rouga 40
Dominie Ronzetti 38 << From draft papers
Christina Ronzetti 30
Nino Romanzarchini 34
Charles Bossi 45 <<<
Edward Kelly 42
Bruno Mondini 36
Arthur Blake
Bartolome Borras 23
Josephine Rendon 50
Katherine Fellen 37
Gloria Casella 30
John Tarrago 47


MarieCeleste Report 1 Apr 2013 16:49

Full name given on naturalisation record:

U.S. Naturalization Records Indexes, 1794-1995

Name: Carlo Giuseppe Bossi
Age: 50
Birth Date: abt 1896
Issue Date: 25 Jun 1946
State: New York
Locality, Court: Eastern District of New York, District Court

Address: 4508 40th Street, LI - ties in with other records.


Liam Report 2 Apr 2013 01:36

Possible Connection.

There's are 2 records of a Carlo Bossi on FMP where he is registered in the merchant navy as a waiter,last one 1928 [aged 33] in Southampton


MarieCeleste Report 2 Apr 2013 07:41

Well spotted, Liam.

The records have little detail but look at the birthdate, it's the same as the WW2 draft above:

Merchant Navy Seamen 1835-1941

Last name: BOSSI
First names: Carlo
Day of birth: 12
Month of birth: October
Year of birth: 1895
Place of birth: Italy
County/country of birth: Italy
Card type: CR1
Discharge number: R 52488
Identity certificate no.:
Series: BT349
Date range: 1921-1941

The document is dated 2 October 1928


MarieCeleste Report 2 Apr 2013 07:55

There are numerous passenger lists with men named Carlo Bossi born in Italy around the same time but the birthplace and/or father's name doesn't quite fit.

However, this record ties in with the Merchant Navy card above:

New York, Passenger Lists, 1820-1957
Name: Carlo Bossi
Arrival Date: 9 Oct 1928
Birth Date: abt 1895
Age: 33
Gender: Male
Ethnicity/ Nationality: Italian (North)
Port of Departure: Southampton, England
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Ship Name: Olympic

It's a crew list so there is very little personal info (he was 5' 4" and weighed 140lb).

His occupation was waiter.


MarieCeleste Report 2 Apr 2013 08:02

Have sent Jeanette a pm in case she wants any of the images if she thinks this is her man. Also, some feedback would be useful.

Have checked divorce records on National Archives but they only go up to 1937.


MarieCeleste Report 7 Apr 2013 11:43

pm from Jeanette:

"1895 would probably have been his birth date or thereabouts. According to the marriage in 1926 he was aged 30. they were married in the Register office district of St Pancras date of marriage 13/01/1926. his occupation Hotel waiter.
Also his fathers name was Alfredo Bossi his occupation, Hotel Chef
My mother and father were married in Ireland 09/04/1940 . I would love to see any images that you have. Thank you for all the information.
Regards Jeanette"

You're very welcome Jeanette.

Just one question - do you have your mum's marriage certificate from 1940 as I've been unable to find a record of it? If so, what was her marital status on it? (Sorry, that's 2 questions!)

Just reply using the "Add your reply" box below.


Jeanette Report 7 Apr 2013 23:19

My mother and Father were married in Ireland in the diocese of Killala on 9th April 1940 parish of Skreen and Dromard
names on certificates are Peter Henry (my father) and Mary Angela Rafaeli (mother)

It does not give her marital status.
Another certificate states that they were married in St Muredachs church in Ballina Co Mayo.
a further cert. mentions the names Psenichnikow and Penikoff.
(Psenichnikow was her birth name ,the family changed it to Penikoff and eventually Penn)
Regards Jeanette


MarieCeleste Report 7 Apr 2013 23:34

Just to check, are Rachel Penikoff and Mary Angela Rafaeli the same person?


Vicci Report 8 Apr 2013 01:56

Rafaeli = Rachel??

on the marriage reg to Carlo first name just says RAY


MarieCeleste Report 8 Apr 2013 08:17

Quite coincidentally someone else is researching St Muredachs

Going back to the main point of the thread which was to find Carlo Bossi, I do think that the man we've tracked through the merchant seaman record, the passenger list, the census, the draft and the naturalisation papers are the right man.

The trail ends in 1946 as I haven't found a death for him (perhaps he went back to Italy?)