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None of the John Jones (no initial or yob) resident in Oldham in 1911 (FMP) had a wife Mary E from Ireland. Think we may have to look at the Welsh areas - ugh!

Would the Oldham RC diocese be willing to undertake a search of the reigsters for a marriage? Do you have a baptism record for their son? Not having seen an RC one, does it give further details of the mother?

i have no details all i have is her death cert and normans death cert all of the children were born in oldham only thing i can think of is were they visiting someone at the time of the cencus

I think you may need to start with what you know and get your grandads birth cert to give his parents details

yes will have to do that

?marriage 1898 from Lancs bmd site
JONES John E CROPPER Elizabeth H Oldham, St. Mary Oldham CE235/29/65


so from ancestry
Elizabeth Hannah Cropper 1898 Oldham Greater Manchester, Lancashire
John Edward Jones
Name: Elizabeth Hannah Cropper
Year of Registration: 1898
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
District: Oldham
County: Greater Manchester, Lancashire
Volume: 8d
Page: 748

no she was mary elizabeth states on death cert she was widow of john edward jones this is doing my head in how can they be so hard to find

wonder???? only one i can find does this tie in with his age?
Births Mar 1922
Jones Sidney mothers maiden name Mangham Oldham 8d 1015


so did Normans mum die and this is stepmum
there is this birth
Births Mar 1877
Mangham Mary Elizabeth Burnley 8e 262


what do you think!

no normans mum didnt die till 1960 its her death cert that i have

thanks budgie have just seen her in deaths at least she has shown up somewhere

This is curiouser and curiouser !
On the 1911 census with John E Jones and wife MAY that I found in Oldham there is a Rosey age 1
On lancs bmd there is a birth of Rose Ann Jones mmn Manghan 1909 in Oldham and a Sidney Jones mmn MangHAM 1922 in Oldham.
Can anyone find the family in 1901 ?
Joan

so i wonder where Sidney's birth index is with mmn Cropper

now you see why i am pulling my hair out

have you any idea where a child might have been baptised. Many RC baptisms do give extra info such as mmn. Some registers are in the Lancs RO but not all.

it would have been catholic i think maybe st marys not sure of any others

if it was st Mary's the records are in the LRO. I may be going this week. If you send me a pm with names & years of what you would like me to look up I will have a go.

sorry i dont know what a pm is

Hi Martyn
Great news you are getting help. Hope LRO have what you want.
Keep us up to date. This is a challenge and would be great to know the outcome.
Best wishes Joan

well as we agreed i think you do need to get your fathers birth cert!!
do you have any marriage/death info for his siblings?

this one?
Name: Sidney Jones
Birth Date: 22 Feb 1922
Death Registration Month/Year: Apr 1985
Age at death (estimated): 63
Registration district: Oldham
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume: 39
Page: 109

this one has been shown before i think it is the wrong mother will see if mum knows when he died