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birth certificate( new info 3-4-14)

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martynsue Report 5 May 2010 22:16

jan i have sent you a pm


jansmith Report 5 May 2010 16:55

I don't know about Boer records i wonder if anyone is going to Kew and could do a look up if they have records there


martynsue Report 5 May 2010 14:20

hi jan
thank's for the info ,not a cluewill have to look up on google,see if it fits ,not a clue on army's etc


jansmith Report 5 May 2010 05:56

I remember you saying he was in Boer war so not on 1901 census
. Have found a link to names in Imperial Yeomanry
A few John's but only 1 so might be him????????????
Jones, John Edward 1319, Private 13th Coy., 5th Bn. I.Y.


martynsue Report 4 May 2010 14:23

these jonese's certainly covered there tracks,why all the name changing,not a easy task as they all had the same names


jansmith Report 4 May 2010 14:04

Owen is in the wrong area from the others in 2 so don't know who he married! so 1st one is all i could find for now


martynsue Report 3 May 2010 22:10

hi jan
sorry for the delay i was out,i don't know what to think 1st one could be right date but wrong area,2nd rightish area not sure about the date it seems early


jansmith Report 3 May 2010 17:45

only 2 marriages on free bmd between 1865-1880
Marriages Dec 1871
Davies Anne Newcastle E 11b 68
Davies Margaret Newcastle E 11b 68
Jones Owen Newcastle E. 11b 68
Thomas Evan Newcastle E 11b 68

but something wrong with his district info on this one page numbers wrong image shows 2 Owen's Anglesey page 909 or 865
Marriages Dec 1868
DAVIES Anne Conway 11b 865
Hughes John Conway 11b 865
JONES Owen Anglesey 11b 865
Owens Owen Conway 11b 865
WILLIAMS Catherine Conway 11b 865


jansmith Report 3 May 2010 17:08

wonder if hinchcliffe was his fathers surname (as she was a wid.)


martynsue Report 3 May 2010 15:29

hi sorry i have not been on for a while,been trying to find ann in 1871,not knoeing a lot about her i have not had much i looked for thomas ,john's younger brother,well thomas hinchcliffe jones,mmn davies born oldham 1887,unusual middle name!!


martynsue Report 1 May 2010 21:00

hi julie
yes thats about it,it's all the moving back&forth that gets me confused,why?
mum say's they went were the work was in them day's,


Jooleh Report 1 May 2010 20:44

Let's precis what we think we know about Elizabeth Jones nee Cropper. Not fact but supposition.

Born Royton Lancashire 1869 as Elizabeth Hannah Cropper.

With parents and siblings in Spotland Nearer Side Rochdale in 1871

With mother and siblings in Oldham below Town in 1881

With brother Richard's wife in Habergham Eaves Burnley 1891

(All census info on pg 27)

Married John Edward Jones January 1898 in Oldham

Daughter May born 1899 Oldham

May dies before 1901 census??

Daughter Florence born Crewe Cheshire 1900 (info on pg 26)

With married sister Jane (Grindrod) in Rochdale in 1901 & Florence aged 8 months (census info pg 26)

Still with the Grindrods in Rochdale 1911 & Florence aged 10 (census info pg 30)

We think she dies in June qtr of 1927 in Oldham (as does John Edward Jones also)

Martyn has ordered both death certificates.

EDIT Ooops forgot Norman Jones born 1915 to John Edward Jones and Elizabeth Cropper according to birth cert but he was always thought to be the child of John Edward Jones and Mary Jones (formerly Leicester nee Manghan/Manning etc) who were together from at least 1902 but may not have been married.



Jooleh Report 1 May 2010 17:16

Well spotted Dorothy re Arnett Booth in 1911. There is only one birth on Freebmd and Cheshire bmd:

Births Jun 1885 (>99%)
Booth Arnett Nicholas Runcorn 8a 239

Cheshire Birth indexes for the years: 1885
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
BOOTH Arnett Nicholas Frodsham Halton FRO/21/89

Married Annie Wild in 1912

Marriages Jun 1912 (>99%)
Booth Arnett N Wild Rochdale 8e 127
Wild Annie Booth Rochdale 8e 127

So presumably the Wild child (Frank) in 1911 is hers.

(see pg 30 for 1911census details of the household which includes Elizabeth Jones nee Cropper)

Not sure yet if anything connects Arnett Booth to the John Booth with Ann Jones in 1881. Here he is in 1891:

1891 England Census
about Arnett N Booth
Name: Arnett N Booth
Age: 6
Estimated birth year: abt 1885
Relation: Son
Father's Name: James
Mother's Name: Mary A
Gender: Male
Where born: Frodsham, Cheshire, England

Civil parish: Frodsham
Ecclesiastical parish: St Lawrence
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England

Street Address:


Condition as to marriage:


Employment status:

View image

Registration district: Runcorn
Sub-registration district: Frodsham
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
James Booth 39 Chemical Works Foreman
Mary A Booth 36
Enos H Booth 16 Cooper's apprentice
William E Booth 14
John E Booth 12
Walter J Booth 10
Arnett N Booth 6

All born Frodsham except Mary A born Woodhouses



martynsue Report 1 May 2010 11:54

thanks dorothy for the info.

jan looking at1881 census ann would have been 28 when she had john,within the next 5yrs owen was dead?
they were quite old for a 1st born don't you think owen would have been in his 30s


Dorothy Report 1 May 2010 11:44

1881 England Census
about Ann Jones
Name: Ann Jones
Age: 33
Estimated birth year: abt 1848
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Wales

Civil parish: Oldham
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address: 22 Smethurst St
Condition as to marriage: Windower (Widower)

Employment status: View image
Occupation: Charwoman

Registration district: Oldham
Sub-registration district: Oldham Below Town
ED, institution, or vessel: 17
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Ann Jones 33
John Jones 5
John Booth 44


jansmith Report 1 May 2010 09:51

I wonder what Owen's job was if that could help pin point him on a census?


jansmith Report 1 May 2010 09:46

thanks will look back at those pages


martynsue Report 1 May 2010 08:26

hi jan
i posted details of the marriagepage 26,given to me by pm &phone conversation.
i also cannot find the family in 1881


Dorothy Report 1 May 2010 01:42

Interesting..... there is a Arnett Booth living with Jane and Elizabeth in 1911


Jooleh Report 1 May 2010 00:33

Just deleted a red herring