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Simon

Simon Report 26 Mar 2010 18:02

Who were John Heatley 1813 parents and siblings?

He worked as a surgeon in Blackley Manchester.

His wife was Ellen Jackson

He had a son called Peter Ralph Jackson Heatley

1841 Census

John Heatley Surgeon
Age: 25
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1816
Gender: Male
Where born: Lancashire, England

Civil Parish: Leyland
Hundred: Leyland
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation: View Image

Registration district: Chorley
Sub-registration district: Leyland
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Helen Heatley 25
Henry Heys Heatley 1
John Heatley 25
John Heys Heatley 4
Ralph Heatley 3

I am trying to link John Heatley 1813 to Captain William Heatley of Brindle Hall who died in 1840.
William was a bachelor so I think John 1813 may have his nephew or great nephew or something like that.

I am stuck on this one.
:-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :S :S :S

Elliot

Elliot Report 26 Mar 2010 18:15

JOHN HEATLEY Pedigree
Male

Event(s):
Christening:
29 JUN 1817 St Mary-The-Virgin, Blackburn, Lancashire, England

Parents:
Father: PETER HEATLEY Family
Mother: MARGT.

Is this possible?


GREAT MINDS THINK ALIKE!

Simon

Simon Report 26 Mar 2010 18:16

I have seen that before but I believe the family are more from Preston / Chorley / Whittle - Le - Woods / Brindle area.

Thanks for looking.

Elliot

Elliot Report 26 Mar 2010 18:17

JOHN HEATLEY Pedigree
Male

Event(s):
Birth:
Christening:
17 MAR 1811 Brindle, Lancashire, England
Death:
Burial:

Parents:
Father: JOHN HEATLEY Family
Mother: BETTY

Simon

Simon Report 26 Mar 2010 18:20

David
Could be.

I found this marriage

Marriage: 25 May 1809 St Leonard, Walton le Dale, Lancashire, England
John Heatley -
Mary Heys -
Register: Marriages 1807 - 1809, Page 5, Entry 109
Source: LDS Film 1656765

Simon

Simon Report 26 Mar 2010 18:22

Walton le Dale is a few miles from Brindle.

South of Preston

Elliot

Elliot Report 26 Mar 2010 18:24

Here are his siblings (if indeed it is the correct John Heatley)

There are some duplicates, for births, christenings and deaths.

1. JANE HEATLEY - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 21 OCT 1804 Brindle, Lancashire, England
2. NANCY HEATLEY - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 31 OCT 1824 Brindle, Lancashire, England
3. JOHN HEATLEY - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 17 MAR 1811 Brindle, Lancashire, England
4. MARY HEATLEY - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 10 APR 1816 Brindle, Lancashire, England
5. RICHD. HEATLEY - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Death: 11 JUL 1807
6. RICHD. HEATLEY - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 15 MAR 1807 Brindle, Lancashire, England
7. RICHARD HEATLEY - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Death: 11 JUL 1807
8. RICHARD HEATLEY - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 15 MAR 1807 Brindle, Lancashire, England
9. RICHARD HEATLEY - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 20 FEB 1814 Brindle, Lancashire, England
10. PETER HEATLEY - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 12 OCT 1820 Brindle, Lancashire, England
11. BETTY HEATLEY - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 11 JUN 1809 Brindle, Lancashire, England
12. WM. HEATLEY - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Death: 29 DEC 1808
13. WM. HEATLEY - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 27 OCT 1805 Brindle, Lancashire, England
14. WILLIAM HEATLEY - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 26 MAR 1818 Brindle, Lancashire, England

Elliot

Elliot Report 26 Mar 2010 18:24

Parents' marriage:

JOHN HEATLEY Pedigree
Male Family

Event(s):
Birth:
Christening:
Death:
Burial:

Marriages:
Spouse: BETTY WATSON Family
Marriage:
21 FEB 1803 Brindle, Lancashire, England

Elliot

Elliot Report 26 Mar 2010 18:28

Father's birth:

JOHN HEATLEY Pedigree
Male

Event(s):
Birth:
Christening:
08 APR 1781 Brindle, Lancashire, England
Death:
Burial:

Parents:
Father: WM. HEATLEY Family

Elliot

Elliot Report 26 Mar 2010 18:32

His father, William, was also married to a Betty:

WILLIAM HEATLEY Pedigree
Male Family

Event(s):
Birth:
Christening:
Death:
Burial:

Marriages:
Spouse: ELIZABETH KENYON Family
Marriage:
28 AUG 1776 Brindle, Lancashire, England
Wife Age at Marriage: 18

Simon

Simon Report 26 Mar 2010 18:35

This could be them, but the reason why I was interested in this marriage

Marriage: 25 May 1809 St Leonard, Walton le Dale, Lancashire, England
John Heatley -
Mary Heys -
Register: Marriages 1807 - 1809, Page 5, Entry 109
Source: LDS Film 1656765

was that the Heys name appears in the names of two of John Heatley's 1813's children.

Elliot

Elliot Report 26 Mar 2010 18:35

William and Elizabeth's children:

1. EASTER HEATLEY - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 28 DEC 1778 Brindle, Lancashire, England
2. ANN HEATLEY - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 31 MAR 1777 Brindle, Lancashire, England
3. NANNY HEATLEY - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 01 JAN 1800 Brindle, Lancashire, England
4. ANN HEATLEY - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 01 JAN 1800 Brindle, Lancashire, England
5. JOHN HEATLEY - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 08 APR 1781 Brindle, Lancashire, England
6. MARY HEATLEY - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 21 JUN 1786 Brindle, Lancashire, England
7. JAMES HEATLEY - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 26 MAR 1788 Brindle, Lancashire, England
8. ALLIS HEATLEY - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Death: 08 JUN 1803
9. ALLIS HEATLEY - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 24 MAR 1803 Brindle, Lancashire, England
10. PETER HEATLEY - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 26 FEB 1795 Brindle, Lancashire, England
11. BETTY HEATLEY - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Death: 19 MAR 1794
12. BETTY HEATLEY - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 08 NOV 1792 Brindle, Lancashire, England
13. BETTY HEATLEY - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 09 APR 1797 Brindle, Lancashire, England
14. WM. HEATLEY - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 05 JUL 1790 Brindle, Lancashire, England

Elliot

Elliot Report 26 Mar 2010 18:36

Yes, it seems likely that this is connected somehow, but there is not a birth for John with parents John and Mary in Lancashire at this time, which is strange.

Simon

Simon Report 26 Mar 2010 19:38

If I went to the Preston Record Office I might be able to the parish records of John's birth with parents John and Mary.

Simon

Simon Report 26 Mar 2010 20:40

I also think John 1813 would have had a brother and / or Uncle called Ralph.

The name Ralph has been used right through to the present day.

I found this online http://archivecat.lancashire.gov.uk/dserve/dserve.exe?&dsqIni=Dserve.ini&dsqApp=Archive&dsqDb=Catalog&dsqCmd=Show.tcl&dsqSearch=(RefNo=='DDM/38/160')

FindingNo DDM/38/160
Level Item
Title Assignment
Date 1 Jan. 1772
Description Ralph Heatley of Whittle-le-Woods, John Heatley of Samlesbury, and Thomas Blacklidge of Chorley, gents. (executors of John Kemps of Sephton, gent.) to Oliver Martin of Liverpool, biscuit maker
AccessStatus Open
RefNo Click here to see this record in its hierarchical context

Prove the name Ralph does go back to the previous century.


In fact RALPH DE LA HAYE was a norman who came to England in 1066.

Can anyone link any of this together?

Elliot

Elliot Report 26 Mar 2010 21:45

This is the only reference I can find to a Ralph Heatley:

RALPH HEATLEY Pedigree
Male Family

Event(s):
Birth:
Christening:
Death:
Burial:

Marriages:
Spouse: MARY DAWSON Family
Marriage:
14 JUN 1868 Cathedral, Manchester, Lancashire, England

Elliot

Elliot Report 26 Mar 2010 21:48

I'm guessing this is you as well?

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?PHPSESSID=crejkki3d1o5vcsuetbvulkqp7&topic=435836.0

Elliot

Elliot Report 26 Mar 2010 21:49


1871 England Census
about Ralph Heatley Heys
Name: Ralph Heatley Heys
Age: 26
Estimated birth year: abt 1845
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Mary
Father's Name: John
Gender: Male
Where born: Southport, Lancashire, England
Civil parish: North Meols
Ecclesiastical parish: St Paul
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Registration district: Ormskirk
Sub-registration district: North Meols
ED, institution, or vessel: 22
Household schedule number: 176
Household Members:
Name Age
Ralph Heatley Heys 26
Mary Heys 23
John Heys 72
Constantine Nicholas Graloussey 25
Jemma Pickstock 21
Mary Jones 25

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lancashireAnn

lancashireAnn Report 27 Mar 2010 16:43

do you have the maiden name of John's wife Helen (Ellen?)

Chris in Sussex

Chris in Sussex Report 27 Mar 2010 17:15

It would probably be worth trying to find wills/death taxation records..

Given John and William's occupations they would more than likely have something to leave....Unlike my lot :-)

Executors and beneficiaries may well give you clues and you may be able to work backwards/forwards/sideways and find a connection that way.

Good luck
Chris