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Simon Report 5 May 2011 14:06

The street named after James Heatley is still in Preston.

Ann I agree there may have been more than one Heatley family in the Preston area.

But how many were catholic and how many could afford to send a son to London to become a surgeon?

1813 was just at the start of the industrial revolution then.
The Heatleys must have been land owners


Simon Report 5 May 2011 14:18

Burial: 20 Feb 1792 St Andrew, Leyland, Lancashire, England
Ralph Heatley -
Abode: Whittle
Register: Burials 1790 - 1803, Page 7, Entry 2
Source: LDS Film 93951/1502450

Was Ralph Heatley a brother of the Captain, James and Catherine


lancashireAnn Report 5 May 2011 14:33

on the RC front

both St Cuthbert's Lytham and St John's Preston are CofE


Simon Report 5 May 2011 15:22

Well that is interesting.

Maybe we have more than one family though you could have RC and CofE in one extended family. I do in my Gale line.

It's how to link all this together

We find more out everyday but get no closer.


JaneyCanuck Report 5 May 2011 19:56

I see a Simon thread I don't seem to have posted in ;) -- so I just thought I would, so I can find it for a browse later!


Simon Report 5 May 2011 21:32

Hi JC :D

Just to recap

John Heatley @1813 was a surgeon born Lancashire, educated London practiced in Whittle-Le-Woods and Manchester.
Died in 1867

I can't find a birth or baptism

I believe this record to his parents

Marriage: 25 May 1809 St Leonard, Walton le Dale, Lancashire, England
John Heatley -
Mary Heys -
Register: Marriages 1807 - 1809, Page 5, Entry 109
Source: LDS Film 1656765

I only think this is marriage is his parents because:
1. Lancashire
2. About the right time period
3. Mary Heys would be his mother and two of John's Children have Heys as a middle name.
4. i can find no other Heatley / Heys marriage.

I can't find either John Heatley (father?) or Mary Heys birth or baptism.

As I could find no other information on siblings of the two Johns and because I could not find a marriage for John seniors parents I started to look at other angles.

I came across a Captain William Heatley who I found his family tree on this document

I have been trying to link John Heatley 1813 to the Captain.

It may all be fanciful or may be correct but so far I haven't found a link that proves anything.

There is also a family of Heatley Heys who may just be a red herring.

There are also other surnames that crop up

Eastwoods - Thomas Eastwood married Captain Williams niece Catherine Taylor.

Lawrence Lucas married Mary Jackson, Ellen Jackson, John 1813's wifes sister.

Read through the thread and I confident you will find it interesting but full of holes.


Simon Report 9 May 2011 11:44

This snippet his definately John Heatley 1813

London Gazette Issue 20296 published on the 15 December 1843

Wheras a Petition of John Heatley, residing at
Harpurhey, in the parish of Manchester, in the county
of Lancaster, and previous at No. 33, Rochdale-road,.
Collyhurst, in the parish of Manchester aforesaid, and previous,
at Wheelton'and Whittle, near Chorley,in the county of Lan--
caster, and for six years previous thereto at No. 4, Thaves-.
'inir, in the city of London, and being a Surgeon and Apo--
thecary, having been -filed in the Manchester District Court.
,of Bankruptcy, arid the interim order for protection from pro-:
rcess having been given to the said John Heatley, under
the provisions of an A.ct of Parliament, passed iu the Parlia--
nient holden in the fifth and sixth years of the reign of Herpresent
Majesty, intituled " An Act for the relief of insolvent.
debtors," the said John Heatiey is hereby required to appearin
Court before the Commissioner acting in the matter of the
' said Petition, on the 21st day of December instant, at twelve
of the clock at noon precisely,- at the Manchester Dist>'


Simon Report 9 May 2011 12:35

A statement written by John

I JOHN HEATLEY, at present, and for seven weeks
past, residing at Harpurbey, in the parish of Manchester,
in the county of Lancaster, for nine months previously
thereto at No. 33, Rochdale-road, Collyhurst,- in the parish
of Manchester aforesaid, for two months previously thereto
at No. 30, Rpchdale-rcad, in Collyhurst aforesaid, and for .
nine months previously thereto at No. 33, Rochdale-road
aforesaid, for twelve months previously thereto, at Wheelton,
near Chorley, in the said county of Lancaster, for nineteen
months previously thereto at Whittle, near Chorley afore- -
said, and for six years and upwards previously thereto at
No. 4, Thave's Inn, in the city of London, and being a Surgeon
and Apothecary, do hereby give notice, that I
intend to present a Petition to the Commisioners of
the Manchester District Court of Bankruptcy, at
Manchester, praying to be examined touching my ,
debts, estate, and effects, and to be protected from ail
process, upon making a full disclosure and surrender of such
estate and effects, for payment of my just and lawful
debts; and I 'hereby further give notice, that the time,
when the matter of the said Petition shall be heard, is to be
advertized in the London Gazette and in the Manchester
Guardian Newspaper, one month at the least after the date
hereof: As witness my hand, this 8th dav of November,
in the year 1843. JOHN HEATLEY

He was 30.


JaneyCanuck Report 10 May 2011 00:23

You're deleted your poke. ;)

I'll peruse, I promise, as soon as I finish this horrible, horrible job of work that's overdue. I've been dabbling a little around here, but 7 pages calls for more focused long-term attention.


Quoy Report 10 May 2011 07:44

Simon I think you might need this


Simon Report 10 May 2011 09:23

Hi Quoy,

I have never seen that particular document before?

How did you find it?

I have had a quick look through and it does look promising I may find John Heatley @1813 birth in there.
There are a great many Heatleys in the area and I am still not 100% convinced he was born RC.

I will take a more in depth look later.


Quoy Report 10 May 2011 10:19

this is the Home Page of the site
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The Internet Archive is opening its collections to researchers, historians, and scholars. The Archive has no vested interest in the discoveries of the users of its collections, nor is it a grant-making organization.

By putting in the word genealogy brings up 1,270 results everything from parish registers ,named trees,war records ,immigration ,census
this is the addy for the Lancashire registers.

You could spend months on it and find something fascinating every day.
The early T.V programmes and adverts are quite funny.

And it is all FREE


Simon Report 12 May 2011 11:58

Right, here we go!

What a fascinating document, a goldmine for family history, but is it my family history?

Ok, lets start with the known facts

John Heatley born in Lancashire about 1813 but trained at College of Surgeons in London.
Marriage: 19 May 1836 St George, Chorley, Lancashire, England
John Heatley - Chemist and Druggist of London in the county of Middlesex
Ellen Jackson - Spinster
Witness: John Roskell Arrowsmith; L Lucas; Ann Heatley; Emma Craven
Married by Licence by: Thos. Todhunter Minister
Register: Marriages 1836-1837, Page 5, Entry 14
Source: LDS Film 1526078

First two sons born in London
Lived in 4 Thaves Inn Holborn in for 6 years in the 1830's.
Lived there before and after he married.

Moved back to Lancashire in 1838 or 1839, lived in Wheeton and then Whittle-Le-Woods.
An entry in Preston Chronicle (Preston, England), Saturday, September 26, 1840; Issue 1465. lists John Heatley of Whittle Le Woods having obtained a Game Licence for 1840.
Census Records
In 1841 living at Dalton House Whittle-Le Woods
In 1851 living on Rochdale Road Manchester: Recorded as Heasley
In 1861 living at 87 Beecroft Terrace Blackley Manchester
Died at home on 13 October 1867 Paralysis 5 hours.
Death reported by son Peter Ralph Jackson
Buried 18th October 1867 in Manchester General Cemetary, Harpurhey.
Manchester General Cemetery UnknownSection 6145 3 John Heatley

1841 Census

John Heatley Surgeon
Age: 25
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1816
Gender: Male
Where born: Lancashire, England

Civil Parish: Leyland
Hundred: Leyland
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street addressbr>
Occupation: View Image

Registration district: Chorley
Sub-registration district: Leyland
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Helen Heatley 25
Henry Heys Heatley 1
John Heatley 25
John Heys Heatley 4
Ralph Heatley 3

1851 Census
HEATLEY, John Head Married M 39 1812 Surgeon M R C S Sone In General Practioner
Lancashire VIEW
HEATLEY, Ellen Wife Married F 36 1815
Lancashire VIEW
HEATLEY, John Son M 12 1839 Scholar At Home
Middlesex VIEW
>>HEATLEY, Peter Ralph Son M 12 1839 Scholar
Middlesex VIEW
HEATLEY, Henry Heys Son M 10 1841 Scholar
Lancashire VIEW
LUCAS, John Nephew Unmarried M 23 1828 Draper's Assistant
Lancashire VIEW
Civil Parish:
Manchester Municipal Borough:
Manchester Address:
Rochdale Road, Manchester County:

All this information I believe 100% linked to my family.

I believe this to this marriage to be his parents.

believe this record to his parents

Marriage: 25 May 1809 St Leonard, Walton le Dale, Lancashire, England
John Heatley -
Mary Heys -
Register: Marriages 1807 - 1809, Page 5, Entry 109
Source: LDS Film 1656765

I only think this is marriage is his parents becausebr>1. Lancashire
2. About the right time period
3. Mary Heys would be his mother and two of John's Children have Heys as a middle name.
4. i can find no other Heatley / Heys marriage.

Right onto the document to see if I can find any information in the 488 pages that links me to the above.

There are 205 references to Heatley but only 4 John Heatley's
But only where a John Heatley was a sponsor

So I can't find my Heatley's

There is so much other information though.

Cravens and Heys history that seems interlinked with the Heatleys


Simon Report 12 May 2011 11:59

More Info
Heatley Family?
In 1831 Mr. Joseph Knight, of Chelsea (Gillow, Biog. Diet, iv, 74),
erected the schools, about two hundred yards from the chapel, commemoratory
of his being a native of Brindle. In 1832 Capt. William
Heatley, of Brindle Lodge, generously paid for the enlargement of
the chapel, and a " Lady Chapel " was formed on the left-hand side
of the sanctuary. A further enlargement took place in 1843, which
provided a total accommodation for about 800 persons (Biog. Diet, iii,
252-6; Kelly, Cath. Missions, 100).
After the death of Squire Heatley in 1840, Mr. Thomas Eastwood,
the husband of his niece Catherine, to whom he had bequeathed Brindle
Lodge, was most dissatisfied with the terms of the old squire s will,
and at once instituted proceedings of various kinds. The bulk of the
estate, both real and personal, had been left to the old squire s spiritual
adviser, the Rev. Thomas Sherburne veve Irving, of the Willows, Kirkham,
whose compromise in 1841 was followed by further litigation
and much controversy, in which Bishop Brown, Francis Middelton,
Esq., of the Stockeld Hall family, the Rev. Francis Trappes, who acted
as the latter s theologian, 194 members of the Brindle congregation,
and many others took part. Amongst numerous publications was a
broad sheet containing a poetical effusion entitled " The Brindle
Lament." In June, 1844, a petition was presented to the House of
Commons signed by a number of Mr. Eastwood s adherents in the
Brindle congregation, praying the House to afford that protection
formerly given to patrons of catholic chapels, and that the same should
be vested in laymen, and not the Pope s vicar. Mr. Eastwood s next
move was to defy Fr. Bede Smith by refusing to pay pew-rent, Mr.
Heatley having occupied a tribune in the chapel to which Mr. Eastwood
laid claim, and six members of the congregation were committed to
the Preston House of Correction on refusing to pay the penalties of
conviction for assault, at the Chorley Petty Sessions, Mar. 24, 1846,
during a disturbance made by Mr. Eastwood. An action against the
magistrates for false imprisonment was commenced in the follow
ing August, but withdrawn on some technical grounds. After this
Mr. Eastwood became a protestant, and turned the domestic oratory
at Brindle Lodge into a bathroom and lavatory, and removed from
college his two sons who were studying for the priesthood. It was
not long before he quarrelled with the Anglican rector of Brindle, but
was buried as a protestant in Walton churchyard (Haydock Papers
MSS.; Biog. Diet. Engl. Caths. iii, 254-5). In July, 1867, the effects
at Brindle Lodge, including the Heatley library, were put up to auction
by his widow, and the estate privately sold to Mr. Whitehead, since
which time its catholic associations have ceased.
Shortly before 1857, Fr. Bede established the existing

$ William Heatley, subsequently O.S.B., was the second son of Hugh
Heatley, of Samlesbury, yeoman, a Catholic non-juror in 1717, who registered
leasehold estates in Samlesbury inherited from his father and grandfather,
James and Hugh Heatley, yeomen. His grandmother, Alice Heatley, then a
widow, was a recusant convict in 1717, as well as his uncle, Peter Heatley, of
Whittle-le-Woods, yeoman, whose son, Fr. James Heatley, S.J., born Apr. 2,
1715, died chaplain to the Tempests at Broughton Hall, co. York, May n,
1782, aged 67. Through the instrumentality of Dom Wm. Placid Naylor,
O.S.B., William Heatley was sent to Lambspring, where he was professed
under the name of Maurus in 1740, and ordained in 1746. He was at St.
Gregory s, Douai, in 1750, and came to the mission in the South Province and
was placed at Cheame, Surrey. In 1757 he became Dennitor of the Province,
remaining at Cheame till he was elected Abbot of Lambspring in 1762, which
office he retained till his death there, Aug. 15, 1802, aged 79. His nephew, Dom Hugh Jerome Heatley, O.S.B., eldest son of James Heatley, of Samles
bury, was born in 1757 at Preston, where his father was engaged in business,
was professed at Lambspring in 1777, and was sent to Bath in 1787, where he
died April 28, 1792, aged 35. Another relative, Dom John Lewis Heatley,
O.S.B., born at Samlesbury in 1752, died at Lambspring May 9, 1805.

Craven family living across the road from Dalton House at Dalton Lodge
on 1841 Census
Cravens were witnesses at John 1813 and John 1780 wedding.
Does this prove the two Johns are related?
Does it prove they are related to the Heatleys above or just a coincidence?

Finally the famiiy settled at Westwood House in Clayton Green,
Dalton Lodge, and Whittle-le-Woods. John Craven went to Sedgley Park
School in 1784, and in 1795 married Margaret, daughter of Jasper Gibson,
attorney-at-law, of Hexham, eldest son of Jasper Gibson, of Stonecroft, Hexham.
He died at Clayton Green May 28, 1852, aged 80. Two of his sons,
Edward and Jasper, went to Sedgley Park in 1806, the former eventually dying
at South Hill, Chorley, April 13, 1869, and the latter, after finishing his studies
at Ushaw College, returned to Sedgley as a master, 1822-38, and died at the
English College at Lisbon in Sept. 1862. A third son, William, born Feb. 27.
1799, went to Sedgley in 1811, and thence to Lisbon in 1814, but returned
home in 1816. Another of the family, Giles Craven, died at Preston May 9,
1824; and Mrs. Emma Craven died at Dalton Lodge July 3, 1844, aged 39.
John Arthur Craven, who went to Sedgley in 1857, entered the Bengal Pro
vincial Service, was a magistrate, and died at Serampore Mar. 16, 1899, aged
54; and James Craven, of the East Indian Railway Service, died suddenly
Dec. 10, 1902, aged 59. Another member of the family, John Craven, with his
son-in-law, Nicholas Hayes, established the grocery firm of Hayes and Craven,
in Preston, and in his latter years retired to Westwood House, Clayton Green,
and became a justice of the peace, dying there Dec. 3, 1898, aged 75.

The child was called after her aunt Emerentiana, wife of Edward Craven,
of Walton. Emerentiana was a favourite family name. One of that name be
came the wife of James Foster, of Charnock Richard, tanner, and was mother
of James Foster, born Feb. 14, 1746-7, who became an alumnus of Douay
College in 1771. The surname was and is variously spelt Heys and Hayes.
The family settled at Wheelton and Whittle-le-Woods, and were connected
with the Heatleys, from whom they derived property. Some of them were at
Sedgley Park, Lisbon, Stonyhurst, Ampleforth, etc. In the middle of last
century Nicholas Hayes was in partnership with his son-in-law,John Craven, of
Westwood House, Clayton Green, as a grocer in Friargate, Preston, under the
style of Hayes and Craven. He was the father of Fr. James, S. J. ; of William,
founder of the firm of Hayes and Finch, Ltd. ; and of Nicholas, of Dalton
Lodge, Whittle-le-Woods, three of whose sons joined the community at
Ampleforth, Dom Wilfrid Bernard, born 1871, author of the Via Vita of
St. Benedict (Cath. Who s Who, 1920), Dom Austin Benedict, and Dom Vincent
Leo Hayes, O.S.B. Henry Heys, of Dalton Lodge, went to Sedgley in 1805.
John Heys, of Gorse Hall, Whittle-le-Woods, died May 31, 1849, aged 55, and
his widow Elizabeth Oct. 8, 1853, aged 34.


Simon Report 12 May 2011 15:05

So in 1841

John Heatley Surgeon lived at Dalton House Whittle Le Woods

The Cravens lived across the road at Dalton Lodge Whittle Le Woods

The Eastwoods at Brindle Lodge 6 miles away north of Brindle

I really do need a fresh pair of eyes looking at this.

There has to be the answers in this thread to the question I posted in my opening thread in this thread and linked documents or what I and others have found are just massive coincidences.


Simon Report 12 May 2011 22:51

Gregson and Heatley link

Alice Gregson was Captain William Heatley's mother

If Her son, John Caton, of Lancaster, who died at Preston Sept. 26, 1801,
married Feb. 3, 1754, Alice, daughter and coheiress of John and Anne Gregson,
of Preston, and sister of Mary the wife of William Cottam, of The Tagg, and
of Alice, wife of James Heatley, of Brindle. John Caton s son Thomas be
came the priest at Cottam, and died Sept. 5, 1826, aged 72, and his daughter
Mary was mother of the Rev. Thomas Lupton, of Manchester. The name
appears as Caton, Cayton, Keyton, etc.

All from the Lancashire Register

Still need the census look-up :D


Simon Report 13 May 2011 10:57

Could someone please look up this John Heatley on the 1841 and 1851

Burial: 26 Aug 1858 St Peter, Blackley, Lancashire, England
John Heatley -
Age: 89 years
Abode: Ardwick Manchester

Born in 1769?


Simon Report 14 May 2011 19:12

Anyone fancy a Saturday night read of these 7 pages or find the above John on the 1841 and 51 census/


Rambling Rose

Rambling Rose Report 14 May 2011 19:47


1841 England Census
about John Heatley Name: John Heatley
Age: 65
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1776
Gender: Male
Where born: Scotland, Ireland or Foreign parts

Civil parish: Manchester
Hundred: Salford
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address

Occupation: View image

Registration district: Manchester
Sub-registration district: Ancoats
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 577
Book: 26
Folio: 5
Page Number: 4
Household Members: Name Age
Margaret Dearden 55
John Heatley 65 ( Broker furniture)
Frances Heatley 60
John Kay 3
Mary Kay 8
Elizabeth Kay 5
Bridget Greenwood 17

? Deaths Mar 1855 (>99%)

Heatley Frances Chorlton 8c 352


Simon Report 14 May 2011 20:35

Hi Rambling Rose

If that is the John Heatley for the death record above then this is not John Heatley 1813 father.

Was Frances Heatley John's husband?

Are there other contenders?