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Is this the brother of John Heatley Corn Dealer

HUGH HEATLY
Pedigree
Male

Event(s):
Birth:
18 APR 1785
Christening:
14 MAY 1785 Saint John, Preston, Lancashire, England
Death:
Burial:

Parents:
Father: JAS. HEATLY
Family
Mother: ELIZ.


Hugh is a Heatley family name - tick
Jas = James - tick
Eliz = Elizabeth = Betty = Betty Makinson - tick

This is James and Betty's marriage in 1784

Marriage: 17 Aug 1784 St John, Preston, Lancashire, England
James Heatley - of Salmsbury in the parish of Blackburn
Betty Makinson - of Grimsargh in this parish
Witness: James Fowler; Wm. Hodgkinson
Married by Licence by: H. Shuttleworth - Vicar
Register: Marriages 1778 - 1785, Page 136, Entry 403
Source: LDS Film 94013

Same church = tick

But I can't find a John Heatley record = boo!

This is interesting the marriage of Captain William Heatley's sister Catherine.


CATHARINA HEATLEY
Pedigree
Female
Family

Event(s):
Birth:
Christening:
Death:
Burial:

Marriages:
Spouse: JAMES TAYLOR
Family
Marriage:
27 DEC 1785 Saint John, Preston, Lancashire, England


There daughter Catherine Taylor married Thomas Eastwood and inherited Brindle Hall

Is this another brother to Hugh?

EVAN HEATLEY
Pedigree
Male

Event(s):
Birth:
03 APR 1787
Christening:
15 APR 1787 Samlesbury, Lancashire, England
Death:
Burial:

Parents:
Father: JAS. HEATLEY
Family
Mother: ELIZTH.

Parents - tick
Right time period - tick

Could Evan actually be John?
How common was the name Evan in Lancashire in the 1780's?

John married Mary Heys in 1813 so he could have been born in 1787 - tick

A sister???



MARY HEATLEY
Pedigree
Female

Event(s):
Birth:
25 AUG 1795
Christening:
27 SEP 1795 Samlesbury, Lancashire, England
Death:
Burial:

Parents:
Father: JAS. HEATLEY
Family
Mother: ELIZTH.

Parents = tick

[no title] DDH 505 29 May 1799

James Taylor's Will.

Heads of the will of James Taylor of Leigh, gent., -- confirms his marriage articles, all jewelry, furniture, horses and cattle etc., to his wife Catherine, annuity of £20 to his mother chargeable on an estate in Goosnargh in the occupation of William Cawell, £20 annuity to his sister chargeable on Goosnargh estate to commence 6 months after the death of his mother, real and personal property to his wife's brother William Heatley, his sister Ann Heatley, His own sister Chadwick and his nephew John Stonor in trust, to be divided equally amongst his children and also £2,000 each -- Witn. Richard Eccles, John Hewitt, Robert Halsall.

Evan Heatley above is in a GR members tree. I have messaged them to find out if they have more family members. This would hopefully at least rule out these Heatleys or at least let me know where they fit in with the John Heatley 1813 and Captain William Heatley.

Evan Heatley born 1787 -- Simon, you *do* have FreeBMD!!

Deaths Dec 1872
HEATLEY Evan 85 Ormskirk 8b 467

1872
- 85
= 1787


1841
Name: Evan Heatley - blacksmith
Age: 45
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1796
Where born: Lancashire, England
Civil parish: Hesketh With Becconstall
County/Island: Lancashire
Registration district: Ormskirk

1871
Name: Evan Heatley
Age: 84
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1787
Relation: Grandfather, Grandpa (Grandfather)
Where born: Kirkham, Lancashire, England
Civil parish: Hesketh With Becconsall
County/Island: Lancashire
Registration district: Ormskirk


Ruled out as John, at least most likely.

I had this record open in a tab still because I was curious about it ...


1851

Name: Mary Turner
Age: 67
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1784
Relation: Head
Gender: F (Female)
Where born: Clayton Le Woods, Lancashire, England

Civil parish: Walton Le Dale
County/Island: Lancashire

Mary Turner 67
Elizth Turner 37 - Hand L Weaver Worsted
Mary Turner 35 - invalid
Margt Turner 31 - bobbin winder
Jane Turner 24 - Hand L Weaver Worsted
John Heatley 19 - grson born Samlesbury c1831 - Hand L Weaver Worsted
Jane Turner 13 - grdaughter born Samlesbury c1838


Where did Mary Turner acquire a grandchild named Heatley?

Could Mary Turner be a remarried Mary Heatley?


There are three versions of this in the IGI, all submitted:

MARY HEATLEY
Spouse: WILLIAM TURNER
Marriage: 03 SEP 1810 Walton Le Dale, Lancashire, England
Batch Number: A455024


1841 in Walton Le Dale

William Turner 60 cotton weaver
Mary Turner 50
Elizabeth Turner 25
Mary Turner 20
Margaret Turner 15
George Turner 15
Jane Turner 12
Catherine Heatley 25
John Heatley 10
William Turner 5
Jane Turner 3


I guess it looks unlikely, given the date of the Heatley-Turner marriage and the socioeconomic status of the family.

JC I do have Free BMD, I have no excuse

Yes ruled out as John

He died in Ormskirk where the Heatley Heys lived! (a few pages back)

I / we seem to rule plenty out but very little in.

If I could only find out more links between John and Mary and John Heatley 1813 other than the Heys link I would be comfortable that they are related.
I am confident that John senior father is James Heatley with wife Betty Makinson

interesting entry on lan-opc - never seen this notation before. Does it mean 'father of' or should it really be 's' for son?

Baptisms: 30 Jan 1788 St Michael, Kirkham, Lancashire, England
Evan Heatley - f of John Heatley & Ann
Abode: Medler
Notes: Duty 3
Source: LDS Film 1502433

there are a few Evan's on lan-opc - wouldn't uyou think it would have been a fairly uncommon name for a Lancashire family!

JC - I don't think Mary Turner and her Heatleys could tie with Surgeon John Heatley and the house he lived in Dalton House in 1841.

I think you are right to discount them.

Ann
I have never come across an Evan but we have two Evan Heatleys

The births of the children above Evan, Mary and Hugh are all from the same parents but no John.

Was there a John? who became a Corn Dealer?

He must have parents and siblings are these his?

But if John Heatley Corn Dealer and Mary Heys was John Heatley 1813 parents where are Johns siblings.

I know I am restating old questions but I struggle to believe we cant find the answers.

Thanks for your help

I have tried to come at John Heatley 1813 from all angles.

Census Records (with the help of JC and others and a pattern could still lead us to John)
IGI / Lancs OPC etc - no match other than the marriages.
Looked at other people who could be related like Captain William Heatley and Ralph Heatley Heys
Reviewed the witnesses at the weddings.
Bought Captain Williams will
Viewed other Wills and records on line - all these are in this thread.
Created a new tree starting with Hugh Heatley in 1620 and moving forward hoping to get to John Heatley. I still did not find enough evidence to link John Heatley to Hugh Heatley.

Unless anyone has anymore ideas I am going to halt this search for a while.
If I have time I will go to Preston Records Office and check / re-check the births in Preston, Salmsbury, Whittle and Brindle for around 1813 to see if I can find a John with parents John and Mary.
I am fairly confident that Johns parents would not have been weavers or Ag Labs they would have had money so if I find a John and Mary with son John who are landowners or business people they should be a good match.

Thanks to everyone who has helped me on this search.

Simon

If anyone is looking for a problem to solve please read my thread and see if you can see something I have missed and find a potential answer to who John heatley's parents were and where Captain William Heatley fit in.

further to page 7
did you read this article

Multiple News Items .
The Standard (London, England), Monday, April 12, 1841; Issue 5246. 19th Century British Library Newspapers: Part II.

concerning the court case of the disputed will

gives a lot of family information

Yes i read the article but still can't find a link from Captain Heatley and Surgeon John Heatley 1813

I still can't find John's parents for sure without that I can't go back.

I found all these other Heatleys in the Catholic Records and thought I would be able get to John Heatley that way but not so far.

Frustrating.

Could you please cut & paste the newspaper article into this thread.

John Heatley 1813
Born in Preston but trained at College of Surgeons in London.
Marriage: 19 May 1836 St George, Chorley, Lancashire, England
John Heatley - Chemist and Druggist of London in the county of Middlesex
Ellen Jackson - Spinster
Witness: John Roskell Arrowsmith; L Lucas; Ann Heatley; E Craven
Married by Licence by: Thos. Todhunter Minister
Register: Marriages 1836-1837, Page 5, Entry 14
Source: LDS Film 1526078

First two sons born in London
An entry in Preston Chronicle (Preston, England), Saturday, September 26, 1840; Issue 1465. lists John Heatley of Whittle Le Woods having obtained a Game Licence for 1840.
In 1841 living at Dalton House Whittle
In 1851 living on Rochdale Road Manchester: Recorded as Heasley
In 1861 living at 87 Beecroft Terrace Blackley Manchester
Died at home on 13 October 1867 Paralysis 5 hours.
Death reported by son Peter Ralph Jackson
Buried 18th October 1867 in Manchester General Cemetary, Harpurhey.
Manchester General Cemetery UnknownSection 6145 3 John Heatley


1851 Census
HEATLEY, John Head Married M 39 1812 Surgeon M R C S Sone In General Practioner
Preston
Lancashire VIEW
HEATLEY, Ellen Wife Married F 36 1815
Chorley
Lancashire VIEW
HEATLEY, John Son M 12 1839 Scholar At Home
Westminster
Middlesex VIEW
>>HEATLEY, Peter Ralph Son M 12 1839 Scholar
London
Middlesex VIEW
HEATLEY, Henry Heys Son M 10 1841 Scholar
Whittle
Lancashire VIEW
LUCAS, John Nephew Unmarried M 23 1828 Draper's Assistant
Chorley
Lancashire VIEW
Civil Parish:
Manchester Municipal Borough:
Manchester Address:
Rochdale Road, Manchester County:
Lancashire