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Hi Tony,

Can you tell me if Thomas Norris c1791 who married Louisa Smith c1828 and had 4 children between 1828 & 1835 - Benjamin, Joshua, Louisa & Martha, was sent out to Tassie as a convict? He later went to Victoria and had another 4 children, where he died in 1850.

Hi Trudianne.

There were 10 Thomas NORRIS transported to Australia.

Can you tell me which is your Thomas NORRIS ( below ).... and do you know where and when he was sentenced/transported, or what ship.

Is he one of the last 3 i have listed....sent to Tasmania

If a convict or ex-convict ( with a CP ) married or re-married, he needed permission.... to marry.

"Index to Convict Applications For Permissions to Marry 1829-1857"

There is no application listed for a Thomas NORRIS to marry.



Thomas Norris, one of 296 convicts transported on the Pyrenees, 14 March 1851.
Sentence details: Convicted at Central Criminal Court for a term of 7 years on 23 October 1848
Vessel: Pyrenees.
Place of Arrival: Western Australia

Thomas Norris, one of 280 convicts transported on the Aboukir, 24 December 1851.
Details: Sentence details: Convicted at Yorkshire, Leeds Boro Quarter Sessions for a term of 7 years on 27 June 1849.
Vessel: Aboukir.
Date of Departure: 24 December 1851.
Place of Arrival: Van Diemen's Land and Norfolk Island ( All Convicts appear to have arrived at Van Diemen's Land - Tasmania )


Thomas Norris, one of 220 convicts transported on the Batavia, October 1817.
Sentence details: Convicted at Surrey Quarter Session for a term of 7 years.
Vessel: Batavia.
Place of Arrival: New South Wales

Thomas Norris, one of 158 convicts transported on the Lord Sidmouth, 20 September 1818.
Details: Sentence details: Convicted at Middlesex Gaol Delivery for a term of life.
Vessel: Lord Sidmouth.
Place of Arrival: New South Wales


Thomas Norris, one of 188 convicts transported on the Recovery, 30 July 1819.
Sentence details: Convicted at Somerset Assizes for a term of life.
Vessel: Recovery.
Place of Arrival: New South Wales


Thomas Norris, one of 200 convicts transported on the Fame, 09 October 1816.
Sentence details: Convicted at Somerset Assizes for a term of life.
Vessel: Fame.
Place of Arrival: New South Wales







Thomas Norris, one of 150 convicts transported on the Caledonia, 19 June 1822.
Sentence details: Convicted at Lancaster Assizes for a term of life.
Vessel: Caledonia.
Place of Arrival: Van Diemen's Land


Thomas Norris, one of 160 convicts transported on the Competitor, 18 March 1823.
Sentence details: Convicted at Northampton Town Quarter Session for a term of 7 years.
Vessel: Competitor.
Place of Arrival: Van Diemen's Land

Thomas Norris, one of 130 convicts transported on the Sir Charles Forbes, 23 November 1824.
Sentence details: Convicted at Lancaster, Liverpool Boro' Quarter Sessions for a term of 7 years.
Vessel: Sir Charles Forbes.
Place of Arrival: Van Diemen's Land






There is one other on the Tasmanian convict archives....from Dublin Ireland

53185 Norris Thomas 18 Mar 1847 Ship: Tory 11 Nov 1846....from Dublin

Tony....:>))

Hi Tony,

Thanks for your reply.

I have been unable to find where Thomas was born, (on his death certificate there is no details about where he was born or his parents names) his 1st child Benjamin was born in 1828 in Hobart. Looking at your information he was probably sent to Tassie between 1822-1824. Sorry I can't give you any further information.

Hi Trudianne.

I can see his marriage you mentioned.
NORRIS, THOMAS
Gender: Male
Marriage/Relationship: 1827 - HOBART,Tasmania ( SMITH, LOUISA )

FAMILY INFORMATION

Children: 226422 NORRIS BENJAMMIN 1828
226418 NORRIS JOSHUA 1830
226420 NORRIS LOUISA 1833
226419 NORRIS MARTHA 1835


Its quite possible he is one of those three Thomas NORRIS i listed transported to Tassie....and a possible birth clue......can sometimes be seen as to where they were convicted.
Also, that there are no birth details for this Thomas NORRIS...which is an indication he may be a transportee



Leave it with me and i will check out all 3 to see what i can find out.


Tony...:>))

Tony,

This should have gone with previous reply - What did a term of life mean? Thomas & Louisa moved to Melbourne and had a child in 1841. I noticed that the other 2 were for 7 years.

Thank you. Must have been a crossover when replying. Thanks again.

Transported "Term of Life" was exactly what it means. Transported - never to return until he/she dies.

But 'Lifers' could qualify for their ( TOL ) 'Ticket of Leave'.... after about 10 or 12 years.

A Certificate of Freedom was a document stating that a convict's sentence had been served and was usually given to convicts with a 7, 10 or 14 year sentence. Convicts with a life sentence could receive a Pardon,( Normally a CP ) Conditional Pardon..... but not a Certificate of Freedom.

A Conditional Pardon meant they could not leave the country.....but were allowed to move throughout the country.



Tony.

Hi Trudianne.

Have to eliminate each one in question, as i find records.

According to his records......The Thomas NORRIS ( Lifer - convict ) on the Ship"Calendonia" was granted a CP ( Conditional Pardon ) on Sept 26th 1835...and a Free Pardon in 1840.
He was married in the U.K before arriving to Tassie.
Under his conduct Report...... indicates that he had a wife at Stanwick near Wigan.
He also died at Impression Bay Tasmania 5th May 1855



So you can rule him out.


Just a question. Do you have the marriage cert for your Thomas NORRIS to Louisa SMITH?

NORRIS, Thomas CM 732720.....Marriage
Spouse: SMITH, Louisa
Marriage Date: 20 Aug 1827
Reg Year: 1827
Reg State: Tasmania
Ref Number: 1016

Tony

Hi Trudianne.

The Thomas NORRIS ( convict ) on the ship "Competitor" 1823 was convicted for stealing a Brass Pot. He worked for Bingley near Coventry England......also confined for six months in England for fathering a bastard child.
In Tassie on March 8th 1833 he was again locked up for having in his possession, 74 boards which was Govt Property...Receiving and knowing to be stolen,500 feet of Stringy Bark timber....and waiting a trial for 1st May 1833.....He was acquitted 10th June 1833.
I think he, or the next Thomas,possibly married Maria Coleman in 1855 in Hobart.

The Thomas NORRIS ( convict ) on the ship "Sir Charles Forbes" 1824 was still in Tasmania working on a convict chain gang in 1833. He receivied 25 lashes for disorderly conduct with fellow servants...and charged with an extra 3 months hard labour.


You say your Thomas was married in 1828....and fathering 4 children by 1835....so i feel you can rule out those 3 Thomas NORRIS sent to Tasmania as Convicts.

Where your Thomas NORRIS fits in i cannot say, but as there were so many Thomas NORRIS convicts sent also to N.S.W.......and quite possible some may have shipped down to Tasmania.? By 1828 there would not have been to many major cities to settle in. ( N.S.W and Tasmania )....and these two ports were shipping back and forth with Convicts and free settlers.


My next move would be to purchase his marriage cert...to Louisa Smith from Tasmania BDM's



Good luck.


Tony ( Victoria )

Hi Tony,

Thanks for your time in looking for info on Thomas Norris, I sent away for the marriage cert today, when I receive it I will get back to you with the details. Thanks again

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G'day Tony,
Could you please help me with the parents of Benjamin Stephenson.

NSW BMD he was born in 1824. Married Hannah Warn 1857 in Goulburn.

Parents listed as William and Mary.

I can find no Birth record for William and thought perhaps he may have been sent to Australia as a convict .

Any help appreciated

Hi Barbara.

This would be Benjamin registered birth ( 1824 ) along with siblings.

V182119 155/1821 ...STEPHENSON ELIZABETH.. WILLIAM MARY
V182454 155/1824 ... STEPHENSON BENJAMIN.... WILLIAM MARY
V18277999 1C/1827 ... STEPHENSON ROBERT... WILLIAM MARY
V1828277 12/1828... STEPHENSON ANTHONY.... WILLIAM MARY

1828 Census N.S.W ( Household ) of William and Mary Stephenson ( District of EVAN )

Stephenson William age 40 (Free by servitude ) Ship arrival: "Marquis of Wellington" year of arrival 1815...Religion: Protestant...Occupation: Land holder approx 3 acres: 20 cleared,Cultd;Horses: 2; 21;Sheep....
Living in same house:
Mary Stephenson age 25...Born in Colony
Elizabeth Stephenson age 7...Born in Colony
Benjamin Stephenson age 5...Born in Colony
Robert Stephenson age 2 ...Born in Colony
Anthony Stephenson age 6 months....Born in Colony ...... ( as per above )


This will be his transportation. Spelt STEVENSON on transportation record.

William Stevenson, one of 200 convicts transported on the "Marquis of Wellington", August 1814.
Sentence details: Convicted at Essex Assizes for a term of 14 years.
Vessel: Marquis of Wellington.
Date of Departure: August 1814.
Place of Arrival: New South Wales.

"Marquis of Wellington",
Arrived 27 January 1815 under Capt. Betham with 199 male prisoners under a guard commanded by Lieut. Nunn. Departed England 1st September, touched at Madeira and Rio deJaneiro where she stayed 3 wks


Notes: ( Colonial secretary papers N.S.W )

STEPHENSON, William. Per "Marquis of Wellington", 1815

1817
Servant to Sir John Jamison. Petition for mitigation of sentence (Fiche 3181; 4/1853 p.324)

1824 Aug 31
On list of Government servants in the employ of Sir John Jamison; from Sep 1815 to Oct 1820 (Reel 6061; 4/1780 p.257a)

1824 Oct
Of Evan; overseer to Samuel Terry. Memorial (Fiche 3111; 4/1839B No.929 pp.919-22)

1825 Apr 19-Jul 4
Memorial (Fiche 3157; 4/1844B No.767 pp.751-62). Replies, 11 & 19 Jun (Reel 6014, 4/3514 p.471; Reel 6015, 4/3515 p.49)

1825 May 12
Enquiry to Henry Fulton and John McHenry re whether Stephenson intended to reside on land grant should he receive one (Reel 6014; 4/3514 p.260)

1825 Jul 19
On list of persons who have received orders for grants of land (Fiche 3266; 9/2652 p.101)

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Received:
C.P ( Conditional Pardon )...4th June 1818
C.F ( Certificate of Freedom )..20th June 1828

Given that William Stephenson/Stevenson was aged approx 40 in 1828 census, would give him a birth/bapt circ.1788......also, considering he was sentenced at Essex Assizes, could be a clue to his birth County.


N.S.W marriage show: 1818
V18182289 3A/1818 STEPHENSON WILLIAM spouse:LANDERS MARY


It appears Mary Stephenson ( Landers ) was born in the colony....approx 1803 ( given her age during 1828 census )

Cant see a birth for her on N.S.W ( on-line ) but this would be a very early birth and "possibly" not registered or not index'd......A purchase of their marriage cert *might* give a clue to parents of Mary Landers and also William Stephenson.


Two LANDERS transported but not till after 1815.
Could be the daughter of a Soldier.?..Free settler.. or even daughter from 1st, 2nd, 3rd Fleeter convicts perhaps.

Nothing showing up on 1st, 2nd, 3rd Fleet...for LANDERS

An old colonial Newspaper reference...1813
The Sydney Gazette....... Saturday 7 August 1813

A LIST of PERSONS holding Liquor LICENCES......SYDNEY.

Mrs. LANDER....residence of Clarence Street

Hope that helps.

Tony....:>))

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Thankyou so much Tony,
you certainly find a lot of information, you have helped me a lot in my search of the past.
Warm Regards Barbara

Your welcome

Tony...:>))

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