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G'day Tony, I hope you can help me again. You were brilliant last time.

John London arrived in Australia Feb 1810 with wife Sarah and son

William. John died in March 1810. Did Sarah marry again or what happened to her.

Is William the same boy who was placed in "orphan school" as per

my original query. I don't know how to add this to my original thread for an extra query.
Thank you for you time
Regards Barbara

Hi Barbara.

Do you know which convict ship your John London arrived in............ in 1810.?

I can find only two John London convicts on Australian transportee arrivals.

One in 1791, and the other in 1819.

John London, one of 106 convicts transported on the Active, Albermarle, Atlantic, Barrington, Britannia, Mary Ann, Matilda, Salamander and William and Mary.
Date of Departure: January 1791.
Place of Arrival: New South Wales.

and a

John London, one of 142 convicts transported on the John Barry, 30 April 1819.
Sentence details: Convicted at London Gaol Delivery for a term of life.
Vessel: John Barry.
Date of Departure: 30 April 1819.
Place of Arrival: New South Wales.

There is a death registered in N.S.W......... and one would think this is the John London that sailed in 1791

V18102486 2A/1810 LONDON JOHN AGE 40


The William you refer to regarding the "orphan school" was the son of a......... Patrick and Sarah LONDON according to reports in N.S.W archives.


I'm afraid i dont know of a John and Sarah London that arrived in 1810 with a son William .




Tony

Hi Tony could you check Australian records for me please?

Alexander Rollo, son of James and Margaret Rollo.
Born Fife, Scotland in 1812, died Victoria, Australia in 1891

Just wondered how he arrived there

Thanks and regards

Maggie

H Maggie.

Cant see any records for a convict transportee arrival to Australia, for a Alexander ROLLO.


I can see his death in the city of Warrnambool, Victoria.1891

There is some information on the net relating to him, and it appears from this information, that he arrived with a wife and family in 1852.....but no port of arrival was given.
For the state of Victoria incoming passenger ship records for un-assisted started in 1852.

This ( below ) is what i have found on the Net.

Name: Alexander ROLLO
Surname: ROLLO
Given Name: Alexander
Sex: M
Birth: 8 Mar 1812
Christening: 18 Mar 1812
Death: 1891 in Warrnambool Vic Australia
Immigration: Oct 1852 Australia

Father: James ROLLO b: 30 Aug 1779 in Ferry Port on Craig, Fife, Scotland c: 5 Sep 1779 in Ferry Port on Craig, Fife, Scotland
Mother: Margaret WELCH b: 10 Dec 1779 in Wemyss, Fife, Scotland

Marriage 1 Bethia CRERAR b: ABT 1821
Married: 29 Jan 1841 in Dundee, Angus, Scotland
Children
James ROLLO b: Nov 1841 in Monifieth, Aungus, Scotland
Alexander ROLLO b: 2 Dec 1843 in Monifieth, Scotland
Elizabeth ROLLO b: 1846 in Monifieth, Angus, Scotland
Margery Nicoll ROLLO b: Nov 1849 in Monifieth, Angus, Scotland c: 25 Nov 1849 in Monifieth, Angus, Scotland
John ROLLO b: 1853 in Melbourne, Victoria, Australia

Also some information from a researcher on Ancestry.....but i cant say how accurate it is.
Seen here as.... ROLLS

1852 Oct Age: 40
Arrival Victoria, Australia
Alexander Rolls emigrated aboard the "Montgomery" with his wife Bertha, sons Alexander age 8 and James age 10 and his daughters Elizabeth age 6 and Margery age 2.

Victoria passenger shipping shows
ROLLS ---- MRS 38 OCT 1852 MONTGOMERY...embarked from B = British port
ROLLS ALEXR 38 OCT 1852 MONTGOMERY.... B
ROLLS JAMES 10 OCT 1852 MONTGOMERY.... B
ROLLS ALEXR 8 OCT 1852 MONTGOMERY.... B
ROLLS ELIZBTH 6 OCT 1852 MONTGOMERY.... B
ROLLS MARGERY 2 OCT 1852 MONTGOMERY.... B


There is also a peice in a local Warrnambool Newspaper relating to a Alexander ROLLO, possibly his son Alexander jnr. ( below )

Warrnambool Echo
October 1899

The Ancient Wreck
(To the Editor of the Echo)
SIR,- I have been told that several persons expressed a wish to be informed of the site of the above for the purpose of prosecuting a search when the fine weather sets in.

Allow me to warn them against wasting their time by searching in the sea, where it will certainly not be found. A wreck found in the sea will not be the one wanted, whatever its value or interest may be in other respects.

Here is Captain Mills' sight-bearing as given by Mr. Lynar, late Postmaster of Port Fairy:- "Well to the Eastward of Gorman's lane: proceed eastward along the beach till you bring the point of land on which the old iron church stood in line with the highest point of Tower Hill. The wreck would be almost in straight line with those objects, well in the hummocks."

The phrase, "well in the hummocks", means, according to Mr. Alexander Rollo, of Panmure, who knew the wreck well for years, about four chains from the water's edge. It lay behind a low hummock, and had a higher hummock behind it. It was, therefore, in a valley, and not at all visible from the beach or from the sea.

The late Mr. F. Saul told me about six months before his death that when he was putting up a fence about 80 years since the wreck was at that time "about fifty yards or two or three chains" from the fence. The site of "Saul's fence" is known to persons in the neighborhood of Gorman's lane, and some portions of it were in existence a few months ago. It is to be specially noted that to this exact spot Mr. Rollo conducted a small party of visitors a few months since. This also corresponds with Captain Mills' sight bearing.

The only point upon which there is room for expression of "opinion" appears to be as to the depth at which the wreck lies in the sand. I should think from a portion of Saul's fence being so lately extant, that it would not be very deep, and that perhaps a ten-foot sharp iron rod may strike it. As the bow heads towards Port Fairy, the boring should be from west to east. It would be necessary to secure a small piece of the timber for expert examination. The site lies probably within an area of a quarter of an acre, which can be fixed from the above particulars. Sketch plans and particulars are posted at the "Illowa" and "Killarney" hotels, and any further information will be given by the writer at the Museum.

I may state that every pains has been taken to verify the information given above. If persons will cut this out for reference, it may assist them.

I am, etc.,
J. ARCHIBALD

October 4th., 1899



Sorry, but thats all i can find on him.

Tony ( Victoria )

Hi Tony, thanks so much for this, it is very helpful.

Regards

Maggie :)

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Tony
~i am looking for whatever details are available please on an Obadiah Woodcock. Transported in 1832 on the Lady Harewood, arriving in NSW 5 Aug 1832. I understand the records may give a physical description of him? anything gratefully received. Thanks Graeme

Hi Graeme.

Unfortunatley, there are no "Physical" references ( on-Line ) but there was a Surgeon Superintendent on board.......John Inches
Contacting N.S.W Archives may produce a "Physical" reference

However ( below ) are references to "Obadiah Woodcock" so hope they are of some help.


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Obadiah Woodcock, one of 200 convicts transported on the Lady Harewood, 13 March 1832.


Sentence details: Convicted at Middlesex Gaol Delivery for a term of 7 years on 01 December 1831.
Vessel: Lady Harewood.
Date of Departure: 13 March 1832.
Place of Arrival: New South Wales.


OBADIAH WOODCOCK was indicted for stealing, on the 24th of October , 12 ounces of silk, value 1l. 4s., and 9 wooden bobbins, value 9d. , the goods of George Devereux Ford .

MR. ADOLPHUS conducted the prosecution.

MARY ANN MACREE . I am the daughter of George Macree ; he lives in Great George-street , and is a weaver. On the 24th of October I was standing at our door; I saw the prisoner another man, and two little boys were looking at their window; the prisoner went by and stood at the prosecutor's door, talking to another man, and the little boy looked out, and said, "Is that you father?" the little boy ran down stairs, and they asked him whether his name was Ford; he said Yes - they said "Where is your father?" he said out; they said, "Is he gone to the public-house?" he said he did not know - they asked if he was gone to the watch-house; he said he did not know - they

See original took him as far as the corner of the street; the other man then went up stairs with the boy - the prisoner staid at the door about a minute, and then he went in and shut the door; the prisoner went up stairs; I heard the hobbins fall on the floor - the little boy screamed out murder, and said, "Pray don't, I shall be murdered when my father comes home" - I called my father down, and said there were two men robbing Mr. Ford; he ran down, and saw the other man run away - he ran, but could not catch him; I saw the prisoner come out, and cried out Stop thief! and the patrol stopped him six or seven doors from the prosecutor's house.

ROBERT FORD . I am the prosecutor's son. I saw the prisoner and another man come into my father's room, one Monday night; I was looking out at my father's window, and said, "Is that you father?" the prisoner said, "I am not your father, but I want to speak to you;" I went as far as the end of the street, and then I said, "I must not go any farther;" we came back, and they both went up stairs; the other man pretended to be looking at my cap, and he went behind my father's shelf, and filled his pockets with shute; the prisoner then came up - they whispered together, and this prisoner put the bobbins in his hat, with silk on them - then he took a handkerchief out of his pocket, put shute into it, and tied them up; I said, "Oh, don't take my father's shute, I shall get murdered" - he said, "The more you halloo, the more I'll take;" I said, "Murder! thieves! thieves! murder! they have got my father shute;" they then run away - when the prisoner had got two or three doors off, I saw the officer take him; the bobbins were found at the foot of the stairs.

Prisoner. Q. Did not you lose sight of me? A. No; when you ran down stairs I looked out of window and saw you - I am sure he is the man that took my father's shute.

GEORGE DEVEREUX FORD. I am the witness' father. I went out on the 24th of November, but I left my work safe, and when I came home I missed nine bobbins of shute; I found three of them at the foot of the stairs, at the bottom of the passage - the other six are lost; they are worth 24s. or 25s. - if the thief had not been found I should have lost my character for ever.

COURT. Q. Did you know the prisoner before? A. I never knew him before.

Prisoner's Defence. I had a pint or two of beer at the corner of the said street, and as I was going past I heard the two boys call out; I went into the entry to hear what was the matter, and a man rushed out in his shirt sleeves, he took me, and said, "You have been at the work;" I said, "You are mistaken;" he went to get his clothes on, and the patrol took me.

BENJAMIN CRISPIN . I took hold of him at the foot of the stairs, and he dropped the bundle where it was found.

GUILTY . Aged 42. - Transported for Seven Years .




Notes re Ship: Lady Harewood
Arrived from Portsmouth having departed 25th March. 429 tons. Captain Stonehouse. Surgeon Superintendent John Inches. 200 male prisoners all well. Officer commanding the guard Lieut. Lowth 38th regt., accompanied by Mrs. Lowth. Guard consisted of Lieut. Donlan, 48th regt., and 26 rank and file of 4th regt.,



N.S.W Archives:
WOODCOCK Obadiah Lady Harewood 1832 Ref:36/1796 ...( Obtained Ticket of Leave ) District: Merton.....1836 19t November

WOODCOCK Obadiah Lady Harewood 1832.......District: Merton Age 47. Assigned to J.B. Bettington...1837

WOODCOCK Obadiah Lady Harewood 1832 Ref:39/1566...... 19 Sep 1839 CF ( Certificate of Freedom )

Ref: 15043 Woodcock Obediah (Obediah) Lady Harewood 1832....... 1832 29th November Location: Hunter River....Remarks: Silk weaver. Assigned to H.P. Dutton

Death N.S.W 1867
Ref:7259/1867 WOODCOCK OBEDIAH Fath: OBEDIAH......... DIED PATRICKS PLAINS District:PATRICKS PLAIN

Index to Intestate Estate Case Papers
WOODCOCK Obediah - No:2924... Date of order 1867.... District: Singleton



Best wishes.

Tony ( Australia )

Hi Graeme.

Just to add.....there are references to Obadiah Woodcock in N.S.W Newspapers that may be of interest.?

The Sydney Gazette and New South Wales Advertiser (NSW : 1803-1842)
Thursday 29 November 1832

http://newspapers.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/2209662


The Maitland Mercury & Hunter River General Advertiser (NSW : 1843-1893) (about)

http://newspapers.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/700099?searchTerm=Obadiah+WOODCOCK


Tony

Hi Tony,
Thank you for your kind offer. I would be very pleased to know more about James Thomas BENN, baptised son of James BENN in Hammersmith, England in 1815.
I have details of his trial proceedings at the Old Bailey for theft. On 6th Sept 1832 aged 18 he was found guilty and sentenced to transportation for 7 years.
He was one of 186 convicts transported to New South Wales, on the "Andromeda", departing 13 Nov. 1832.
After that I know nothing. Are there prisoner records to say if he survived his sentence or what happened after his release?

Jeff

Hi Jefferey.

What happened to many of our convict relo's after they received there freedom, or pardons, sometimes can remain a mystery. Many moved throughout the Country looking for work.
Sometimes there is a lot of info, and sometimes not much at all.

Below is what i can find regarding a James Thomas BENN.

Departed Portsmouth 17 November and arrived 11 March 1833 under Captain Gall. Surgeon Superintendent D. Boyler Esq., RN. 183 male prisoners. Passengers Lieuts. Lonsdale and Armstrong and 29 rank and file of the 21st, 5 women and 6 children. Israel Chapman and Mary Chapman....... Ship arrived in Port Jackson 12th Mar 1833



N.S.W State Archives
BENN James Thomas Ship: Andromeda 1833 Received Ticket of Leave ( No Date ) District: Ipswich.

BENN James T Ship: Andromeda 1833 Received Certificate of Freedom ...1 Nov 1842


Cant see a marriage for him.

Possible N.S.W Death.....1899 ....allowing for age at death ( Plus - Minus )
13486/1899 BENN JAMES T .... AGE 87 YEARS.... DIED GUNNING... District: GUNNING


Ordering deaths certs can *sometimes* supply valuable information. ( Marriage, children, last address, Parents,Burial place, ect,ect )

There appears to be a Headstone monument at Gunning Graveyard for a James Thomas BENN ( first Photo on left )

http://www.flickr.com/photos/chopstickninja/page8/


For ordering Documents relating to Convicts see:
http://www.transcriptions.com.au/pages/faqconv.php


For ordering a Death cert from N.S.W
http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/


I would also contact the Upper Lachlan Historical society
"Gunning Historical Society"

Contact details
31 Yass Street,
Gunning NSW 2581

Contact person: Paul Hely
Committee Member
Ph: (02)4845 1337
bproudman@upperlachlan.nsw.gov.au

or see:
http://upperlachlan.local-e.nsw.gov.au/communityorgs/printable/2141.html

Good Luck.


Tony ( Victoria Australia )

Hi Tony,

Thank you very much for your prompt and very helpful reply regarding James T. BENN. You have given me new information and several leads to follow up on.

Best wishes,
Jeff

Your Welcome...:>))

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Hi Tony One of my husbands relatives Frederick Nicholls or Nickells was transported in about 1842, we have no proper date,His crime was stealing corn he had a wife and 6 children. We are led to believe he lived in Wickhampton,? Norfolk, so probably went to the Norrwich assizes for sentencing, we appreciate its not much information, his wife and children were sent out to him with Public assistance a few years later. If you are able to help we would be grateful

Many thanks

Hi Tony, This is a long shot but all else has failed William Collar, last thing found for him were attesation papers 1846 and court marshal documents(very unclear) 1848. no sign of him after this point. unable to find a death so am looking at other possibilities. In 1848 he would have been about 22, born in Harlow Essex but enlisted in the Royal Marines in Kent England. many thanks Chrys.