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Hi All,

I have a problem.
My grt grandfather, mothers side, was a John Wicks....father of Jack Wicks born 1917 in Reading.
Now, I believe John's wife's maiden name was Fuller.
BUT!..there are 2 possibilites.

John Wicks & Emma Fuller OR John Wicks & Anne Fuller.

Marriages Mar 1898
Wicks John Reading 2c 517
FULLER Emma Reading 2c 517

Marriages Sep 1909
WICKS John Minnitt Croydon 2a 520
FULLER Annie Amelia Croydon 2a 520

I have been of the assumtion it was the later in 1909. Why?...as it is the closest date to Jack's his birth in 1917, even though it in in Croydon, not Reading. But they not far apart.

I got Jacks fathers name from Jacks marriage cert.

Jack was a sapper in the Royal Engineers(electrical) at the time of his marriage. Service No. 13059121, and living at 43 Ashmore Rd, Reading at time of marriage in 1945.

I really need to know which of the John's is his father and so then know which one his his mother.

I know ..BUY HIS BIRTH CERT...but I need to know who his parents are so I can purchase the right one!!

On the premise this is his record.
Births Sep 1917
Wicks Jack Fuller Reading 2c 502

Mind you I think I just answered my own question...The above would only count if I was trying to find the marriage..
BUT..the above will give me the parents and so the right names to know which marrige cert to get.

....lol..plonker!

Cheers for looking...but if you can add to this..then fine...or u feel you might be related..then great!.

Cheers Boogie

Ah......but is this the right Jack?...ummmhhh!

The 1911 could solve your problem
John Minnit Wicks is actually married to Maud Martha Tullett

TULLETT, Walter Head Married M 61 1850 Newsagent Carshalton Surrey VIEW
TULLETT, Sarah Wife Married
12 years F 63 1848 Keeping The House Wartling Sussex VIEW
WICKS, Maud Martha Niece Married F 27 1884 Croydon Surrey VIEW
WICKS, John Minnitt Nephew Married
1 years M 27 1884 Half Tone Opperator Croydon Surrey VIEW

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Registration District:
Croydon Sub District:
South Croydon EnumerationDistrict:
24 Parish:
Croydon

Address:
70 Waddon New Road Croydon County:
Surrey


So of the two possibilities you have given this looks like your family in 1911

WICKS, John Head Married M 35 1876 Carman Out Of Work Aldershot Hants VIEW
WICKS, Emma Wife Married
13 years F 33 1878 Reading Berks VIEW
WICKS, John Charles Son M 13 1898 School Reading Berks VIEW
WICKS, Annie Elza Daughter F 8 1903 School Reading Berks VIEW
WICKS, Albert Edward Son M 6 1905 School Reading Berks VIEW
WICKS, Margeret Ivy Daughter F 3 1908 Reading Berks VIEW

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Registration District:
Reading Sub District:
St Mary EnumerationDistrict:
21 Parish:
Reading

Address:
9 Somerset Place Thorn Street Reading County:
Berkshire

There are 3 more possible births for this family

Births Mar 1912 (>99%)
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Wicks George W Fuller Reading 2c 673

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Births Mar 1914 (>99%)
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WICKS Florence M Fuller Reading 2c 611

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Births Sep 1917 (>99%)
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Wicks Jack Fuller Reading 2c 502



BUT>>>>>>>Jack could have been born anywhere and just based in Reading at the time of his marriage so this is not any sort of confirmation.
What was his Father's occupation on his marriage certificate?

Hi Astra..thanks for looking.

It says he's a labourer...that could be anything.

Your submission is the one I have been looking at and working from...but with 2 Johns and both with wifes named Fuller.......i just don't know now.

Paul
There is only one wife named Fuller! John Minnit Wicks married Maud Tullett

Ah!..right....sorry not with it.....wood tree's ..you know.
Plus my birthday today..and not feeling that great....

Ah Bless you. Many Happy Returns of the day. Which one is it?? Is it one of note or just another number?

Nah...just a number....42.....feels like 62....
Certainly with arthritis it is..... :(

So...its Emma Fuller.....right...always helps to have somone else take a look....someone not blinded by stupidity like myself....lol...

Oh well..back to drawing board...

Anyway.....many thanks for your efforts Astra...most appreciated.
Has helps sort out a bugging niggle.

Can get going again knowing the right line... :)

Cheers!
x
Paul

How frustrating - there are 2 lots of Army records and 2 lots of Pension records for John on Ancestry.

They confirm his wife and children right down to Florence May but they stop short of when Jack was born...... dratt!!

It does give their address as 11 Hope Street, Reading right up until 1917 in case that helps to connect with Jack's birth cert?

Dea x

Hi Dea,

Sorry I had not replied...didn't know there was another post.

Yes..you might be right..i believe one of the residences was 11 Hope street at some point....

Let me check what i have...

:0
x

Gosh..cant see it....

I am sure I did see the address somewhere in my reserach..but cant find where.

Jacks service number was 13059121.

John was a Out of work Carman in 1911. Kind of horse drawn haulage man...

John was living at 9 Somerset House, Thorn St, Reading, Berkshire, England in 1911.

Jack was living at 43 Ashmore Road, Reading, Berskhire, England in 1945.

John & Emma had 7 children I believe between 1898 & 1917.

John, Annie, Albert, Margaret, George, Florence, Jack

Jack died in Cambridge, 1976, I think..Im not 100% sure.

Sorry I dont have Jacks birth cert as yet..still waiting for it.
I have it on order ..but its been delays because of back logs.....hope for it to be here in the next day or so...its been nearly 3 weeks!!.

Yay!......I have the cert.


John & Emma Fuller as parents :-0 :-)

HI Folks,

I am now looking John Wicks parents.

I have his marriage cert and it tells me his fathers name was George and that he was a labourer.

John was born in 1876 in Aldershot, Hampshire. But I cannot find him in the 1881 census.

This is probably him in the 1891 census.

1891 England Census
about John Wicks Name: John Wicks
Age: 15
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1876
Relation: Boarder
Gender: Male
Where born: Aldershot New Town, Hampshire
[Sldenbok, New Town]
Civil parish: Christchurch
Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street Address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Education:
Employment status: View image
Registration district: St Saviour Southwark
Sub-registration district: Christchurch Southwark
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 341
Folio: 104
Page Number: 16

And in 1901

1901 England Census
about John Wirths Name: John Wirths
[John Wicks]
Age: 25
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1876
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Emma Wirths
Gender: Male
Where born: Aldershot, Hampshire, England
Civil parish: St Lawrence
Ecclesiastical parish: St Lawrence
County/Island: Berkshire
Country: England
Street Address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Education:
Employment status: View image
Registration district: Reading
Sub-registration district: St Giles
ED, institution, or vessel: 36
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 41
Piece: 1153
Folio: 33
Page Number: 6
Household Members: Name Age
John Wirths 25
Emma Wirths 23
John C Wirths 3
Jane Fuller 54
James Fuller 19
Bessie Fuller 15
Susan Fuller 14
William Fuller

And that the family is living at 9 Somerset Place, Thorn Street, Reading, Berkshire, England in 1911.


BUT!!..without being able to find him in 1881..I can't disscover who his paremnts were...at least his mother.

Any ideas & suggestions would be most appreciated.

Cheers!
Paul

The marriage certificate may help Paul by naming his father.

Marriages Mar 1898 (>99%)
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Wicks John Reading 2c 517

Hi Astra...

I do have the marriage cert...his fathers name was George & was a labourer...as I stated.

But I can't find John in the 1881 census so as to find out his mothers name and where his parents came from. Or if he had sibblings.

I think the above 1891 census is him...but hes not at home..so its no help.
He was born in Aldershot...so the census says....but I can't find a birth.

Though there is one in Farnham...which is not far from Aldershot....

Births Mar 1876 ??
WICKS John Farnham 2a 91

But again..means paying out when Im not sure if its him. :(

Thanks anyway.