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With regard to Emma Chamberlain, on her birth cert she was born 1865 the daughter of John Thomas Chamberlain and Ann Chamberlain nee Durance. Her Mother died 1870, there is John Chamberlain 1871 Widower, the others with him match the little info I have and the same goes with 1881 census, Emma is on that one, if anyone can find her I shall be very grateful. Regards Sue.

It looks like her in 1871 as Emma Chamberlin, 5 , born Upleatham which is very close to Guiseborough. She's a niece in the home of Robert Chamberlin & Hannah in Navenby, Lincolnshire.

Thank you Margaret , I sure you have found the right one :<)))

Alas this is not mine, I have a marriage cert which is looking more likely (if that is possible) Emma is 21 in 1886 and Moorgate is where she is living, her Father is Thomas and he is in the navy, I haven't found her birth so do not know who her Mother is, is there anyway I can find out more about her does anyone know please?

For reference, is this your Emma in 1881?


1881 census transcription details for: 46, Parliament St, Habergham Eaves
National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG11 Piece: 4150 Folio: 136 Page: 11

Reg. District: Burnley Sub District: Burnley
Parish: Habergham Eaves Enum. District:
Ecclesiastical District: City/Municipal Borough:
Address: 46, Parliament St, Habergham Eaves
County: Lancashire
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation ,
Disability Where Born
CHAMBERLAIN, Mary Head Single F 23 1858 Housekeeper
Skirton
Lincolnshire
CHAMBERLAIN, Fanny Sister Single F 19 1862 Cotton Winder
Marske
Yorkshire
CHAMBERLAIN, Thomas D Brother Single M 17 1864 Cotton Piece Sorter
Upleatham
Yorkshire
CHAMBERLAIN, Emma Sister Single F 15 1866 Cotton Winder
Upleatham
Yorkshire
CHAMBERLAIN, John Wm Brother Single M 12 1869 Scholar
Upleatham
Yorkshire
FRANK, Eliza Visitor Single F 30 1851 (Sch) Governess
Pickering
Yorkshire






1861 census transcription details for: Ox Close, Marske
National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG09 Piece: 3652 Folio: 6 Page: 12

Reg. District: Guisbrough Sub District: 2 Marske
Parish: Marske Enum. District:
Ecclesiastical District: City/Municipal Borough:
Address: Ox Close, Marske
County: Yorkshire (North Riding)
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation ,
Disability Where Born
CHAMBERLAIN, John J Head Married M 31 1830 Agricultural Labourer
Bourne
Lancashire
CHAMBERLAIN, Ann Wife Married F 23 1838
Kirton
Lancashire
CHAMBERLAIN, Jane Daughter F 4 1857
Kirton
Lancashire
CHAMBERLAIN, Mary Daughter F 3 1858
Kirton
Lancashire
CHAMBERLAIN, Elizabeth A Daughter F 1 1860
...
Yorkshire
CHAMBERLAIN, Edward Brother Unmarried M 19 1842 Iron Miner
Bourne
Lincolnshire




1871 census transcription details for: Upleatham, South Side, Upleatham
National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG10 Piece: 4853 Folio: 152 Page: 5

Reg. District: Guisborough Sub District: Marske by the Sea
Parish: Upleatham Enum. District: 12
Ecclesiastical District: City/Municipal Borough:
Address: Upleatham, South Side, Upleatham
County: Yorkshire
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation Where Born
CHAMBERLAIN, John Head M 41 1830 Lincolnshire ag lab
CHAMBERLAIN, Mary Daughter F 13 1858 Lincolnshire
CHAMBERLAIN, Thomas Son M 7 1864 Yorkshire
CHAMBERLAIN, John W Son M 2 1869 Yorkshire

Susan, posting this one purely because you say her father was in the Navy and she was born at sea.
On census return Thomas is shown as being a "Chelsea Pensioner" although only 47 years old:

1871 England Census
about Emma J Chamberlain
Name: Emma J Chamberlain
Age: 6
Estimated birth year: abt 1865
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Thomas
Mother's Name: Mary
Gender: Female
Where born: At Sea
Civil parish: Leighton Buzzard
Town: Leighton Buzzard
County/Island: Bedfordshire
Country: England
Registration district: Leighton Buzzard
Sub-registration district: Leighton Buzzard
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Household schedule number: 120
Household Members: Name Age
Thomas Chamberlain 47
Mary Chamberlain 38
Emma J Chamberlain 6
Mary Chamberlain 4
Alice Chamberlain 2
John Brandom 76

Susan, we're just guessing here. We need to work back. Have you found her in any census, married or unmarried?

Is this her marriage?
Marriages Mar 1886
BIDDLES Henry Saddleworth 9a 303
Chamberlain Emma Saddleworth 9a 303

Here is Fanny, also missing from 1871. Why would you think the Emma found by Margaret was wrong? Why would you think John Thomas was in the navy?
These are staying a few doors down from a William Chamberlain.

1871 census transcription details for: School Lane, Harmston
National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG10 Piece: 3364 Folio: 51 Page: 9

Reg. District: Lincoln Sub District: South West
Parish: Harmston Enum. District: 3E
Ecclesiastical District: City/Municipal Borough:
Address: School Lane, Harmston
County: Lincolnshire
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation Where Born
CHAMBERLAIN, Edward Head M 29 1842 Lincolnshire coal merchant/ farmer
CHAMBERLAIN, Mary Wife F 27 1844 Cornwall
CHAMBERLAIN, Mary Jane Elizabeth Daughter F 6 1865 Lincolnshire
CHAMBERLAIN, Albert Edward Son M 4 1867 Lincolnshire
CHAMBERLAIN, Beatrice Louise Fanny Daughter F 1 1870 Lincolnshire
CHAMBERLAIN, Fanny Niece F 9 1862 Upleatham, Yorkshire
WALKER, Eliza Servant F 19 1852 Lincolnshire

Ozi, yes that is her marriage thank you and her father is Thomas on that cert which is why i think that the one margaret found is the wrong one, i am sorry but i think i jumped to the wrong conclusion in my asking post but it did all seem to fit at the time :<((

1871 census transcription details for: The Rectory, Navenby
National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG10 Piece: 3364 Folio: 22 Page: 35

Reg. District: Lincoln Sub District: South West
Parish: Navenby Enum. District: 1
Ecclesiastical District: City/Municipal Borough:
Address: The Rectory, Navenby County: Lincolnshire
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation, Where Born
CHAMBERLIN, Robert Head M 32 1839 coal merchant b Bourne Lincolnshire
CHAMBERLIN, Hannah Wife F 29 1842 Lincolnshire
CHAMBERLIN, Jane Daughter F 7 1864 Nottinghamshire
CHAMBERLIN, Emma Niece F 5 1866 Yorkshire

This appears to be the brothers in 1841. John, Robert and William.


1841 England Census
about Robert Chamberlar
Name: Robert Chamberlar
Age: 4
Estimated birth year: abt 1837
Gender: Male
Where born: Lincolnshire, England

Civil parish: Bourne
Hundred: Aveland
County/Island: Lincolnshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

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Registration district: Bourne
Sub-registration district: Bourne
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Thos Chamberlar 35 ag lab
Ann Chamberlar 35
Eliza Chamberlar 12
John Chamberlar 11
Robert Chamberlar 4
William Chamberlar 2


1851 for the family?


1851 England Census
about John Chamberlain
Name: John Chamberlain
Age: 21
Estimated birth year: abt 1830
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Thomas
Mother's Name: Elizabeth
Gender: Male
Where born: Bourn, Lincolnshire, England

Civil parish: Extraparochial
Ecclesiastical parish: Pelhams Lands
County/Island: Lincolnshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability:

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Registration district: Boston
Sub-registration district: Boston
ED, institution, or vessel: 11
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 7
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Chamberlain 45 Bowes, Lincolnshire, England, Agrl Labourer
Elizabeth Chamberlain 45
Burton Coggles
Lincolnshire
John Chamberlain 21
William Chamberlain 11
Edward Chamberlain 9
Fanny Chamberlain 7


I know the mother's names are different but if you look at Eliza's birth.



ELIZA CHAMBERLAIN Pedigree
Female

Event(s):
Birth:
Christening:
23 OCT 1828 Bourne, Lincoln, England
Death:
Burial:

Parents:
Father: THOMAS CHAMBERLAIN Family
Mother: ELIZABETH

Perhaps the mother was Elizabeth Ann?

alviegal, how do they connect to the Henry Biddles marriage?

Susan, what was Henry's occupation on the cert?

Ozi

A tree on Ancestry says Emma Chamberlain born to Henry 1827 Epworth Lincs and Eliza 1831
Emma born 1865-1933 born Nottingham.
She married Henry Biddles and had Maria Biddles 1889 in Saddleworth Yorks.

1891 Census Delph Saddleworth D18 7
Street addres MOORCROFT.
Samual Symes Lodger age 44 born Dorset.
Emma Symes Lodger 1865 born Nottingham
Sarah A Chamberlain born Greenfield Yorks age 6
Maria Biddles Lodger age 1 transcribed as Beddoes

Also at same address Elijah Chamberlain1875
Lilly 14
Elizabeth 11.

Do you think this could be your Emma?

Maryb

Another tree and census confirm her parents were William Chamberlain 1843 Bangor Flintshire and Ann born Sheffield @ 1838.

1881 Grove Mill Spotland Whitworth D14 33
William born Bangor
Ann born bradfield
Emma 1866 gainsborough Lincs
Tom 1867
Joseph 1870 Settle Yorks
Lucy Ann 1877
Elizabeth 1880 denton lancs

1891 Emma Symes is now married to Samuel Parry Symes,lodging at her mums house Ann her mum married again to Samuel Dickinson

Mary
The Emma you found did marry Henry Biddles1886 saddleworth Henry is 23 and it looks like Navy in rank or profession, his Father is william hubbard a farmer. Emma is 21, her Father is Thomas Chamberlain and he is what looks like Navy too. Henry and Emmas daughter Maria is witness to Ellison Pickles and Sarah Chamberlain marriage, Ellison is Brother to my Grandfather and Sarah is Emmas illegitimate daughter.
Gosh I hope this makes sense, cos it is doing me head in :<@

Can't get my head round the fact the Sarah Chamberlain and Maria Biddles her daughters being with Emma now Symes in 1891,lodging with her mum (Ann Dickenson)formerley Chamberlain and siblings,and with her mum and dad same siblings in 1881.

Was William actually Thomas.

Maryb

I have just been checking a tree about Samuel Symes who Emma was with in 1891/1901.
He married in 1875 a Harriet Lashley born 1854 her dad was George and his occupation was NAVVY,could this be the occupation of those you thought were in the NAVY.

So this is John Thomas Chamberlain who married Ann Durance in 1855 Boston Lincs.

1861 Marske yorkshire district 1 image 12
Thomas born @ 1831 Bourne Lincs Agricutural Labourer
Ann 1838 Kirton
Jane 4
Mary3
Elizabeth A 1
Edward Chamberlain brother born Bourne Lincs age 19
William Chamberlain 21
John Durance Railway Worker age 21 born Kirton.

Maryb

1841 Kirton Lincs Swineshead D 12 6
William Durance 1808 agricultural labourer. born Lincs
Mary 1803
Elizabeth 1831
Sarah 1833
Ann 1838 married John Thomas Chamberlain
John 1840 married Harriet Dickenson born 1847.

Ann Chamberlain now Dickenson formerly Durance
1901 Oldham Above town D32 26
864 Ripponden road
Ann Dickinson born 1837 Sheffield widow
Lucy A Chamberlain age 24 born Benniton Lincs
Elizabeth 21 born Denton Lancs.

Maryb

1851 Pelhams Land Boston Lincs D11 3
Thoams Chamberlain 1806 A/Labourer
Elizabeth 1806
John 1831 married Ann Durance
William 1840 is this who is with Ann (Durance) on 1881 census???
Edward 1842
Fanny 1844.

This is maybe John Thomas married Ann and in 1881 William his brother is living with Ann in Spotalnd.

What do you think of this theory?

Maryb

Mary, yes it is Navvy (needed my magnifying glass to read it) which makes sense because if it were Navy then it would have rank and number there as well, i shall be taking a bit of time now to check out what you have found because i'm thinking i may have got some of it wrong, a big thank you though for all the help from you all.

Sue.

I prosume this is John in 1871
Upleathem Yorks
John Chamberlain 1830 Bourne Lincs Widow??? maybe they just split up.
Mary 13 1858 Kirton
Thomas 7 Upleathem.
John W 2 Upleathem

So it looks like the same family but where are the rest of them,is this the record you have?

Maryb

It's probably me who's got it wrong,as how could Thomas Durance Chamberlain 1846 be with sister Mary 1858 in 1881 at Habergham Eaves and Tom 1867 Lancashire with William Chamberlain and Ann in 1881 at Spotland Lancs.

I know Emma and Maria Biddles with Ann (Dickenson) in 1891 in Saddleworth and it just says lodgers,so could William and Ann be Emma's Aunt and Uncle or just cousins.
Meaning William and Ann had a Emma 1866 in Gainsborough,and John Thomas and Ann also had Emma 1865/6.

You said it was doing your head in,well mine too now.

Have you got death certificate for Ann Chamberlain who died 1870 in Guisborough.