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Don't forget Hannah was one of the witnesses at Emma's

I suspect the two Emmas were probably related, maybe Henry and Benjamin were brothers or cousins?

As 1846 Emma would appear to belong to Henry and Rebecca, it seems likely Dec 1841 Emma is Benjamin and Sarah's.

But there's only one way to find out, and that's to send for the birth cert...

I have a print out of the 1861 census with Benjamin Sapsford,52,Sarah 53 ,Mary 16,Rebecca 14. On the 1841 censusBenjamin and Sarah have 2 daughters - Sarah and Hannah. There is a Thomas Rainbird living with them. I wonder if this is the brother of Rebecca Rainbird? But on Emma's marriage cert her father is Benjamin! It's a minefield. So many Emma's born in the same place. But the one I want, I can't find her birth cert. My stepson looked for her once and thought her record had been destroyed.

I know it's not conclusive, but a tree on ancestry has an Emma Sapsford who has a birthdate of 22 Mar 1846, which would tie in with the record below. Her parents are listed as Henry Sapsford and Rebecca Rainbird.


Births Mar 1846 SAPSFORD Emma Dunmow 12 88

That would seem to leave the earlier Dec 1841 birth ref I posted earlier as the likely birth for 'your' Emma, and ties in better with the c1842 birth year which is given in most censuses for her as married woman/widow Emma Bradd..

There is an Emma Sapsford whose birth is registered in Dunmow, the reg district for Hatfield Broad Oak, where Emma was born according to her census records as a married woman, and where Benjamin Sapford lived with his family in the censuses I posted above.

Births Dec 1841 Sapsford Emma Dunmow 12 71

If only we could find Benjamin's family in the 1851 census...

EDIT. Seems there is a 'known problem' with the 1851 census for Hatfield Broad Oak, i.e. it's missing.

Hi Julie,

I can't find Emma with a father called Benjamin [as per the marriage record] in the census. However the 1881 census posted earlier in the thread gives her birthplace as Hatfield B[roa]d Oak c1842, and the 1891 census as Hatfield Heath c1844, and one of the marriage witnesses was a Hannah Sapsford.

There are census records for a Benjamin with daur Hannah in 1841 and the same family in 1861, but I can't find them in 1851 - and I can't help wondering if Emma belongs to them, and would show up on the 1851 census if only we could find it...

census 1841:

Address: Hatfield Heath, Hatfield Broad Oak County: Essex

SAPSFORD, Benjaman M 30 1811 Essex (ag lab)
SAPSFORD, Sarah F 31 1810 Essex
SAPSFORD, Sarah F 10 1831 Essex
SAPSFORD, Hannah F 7 1834 Essex
RAINBIRD, Thomas M 30 1811 Essex



Census 1861:

Address: The Heath, Hatfield Broad Oak County: Essex

SAPSFORD, Benjamin Head Married M 52 1809 Malt Maker Hatfield Broad Oak, Essex
SAPSFORD, Sarah Wife Married F 53 1808 High Laver, Essex
SAPSFORD, Mary Daughter Unmarried F 16 1845 Pupil Teacher Hatfield Broad Oak, Essex
SAPSFORD, Rebecca Daughter Unmarried F 14 1847 Scholar Hatfield Broad Oak, Essex

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Hello Terri. I have a George Bradd born Dec 1842 Harlow Essex . He married Emma Sapsford 6 Jun 1868 Hoxton. I have been trying to find Emma's parents for years! There seems to be some confusion about her birth date. Do you have her birth cert? There are two Emma Sapsfords born in Harlow Essex. George's Mother's maiden name is Millicent Housden, Father's name George Bradd, Shoemaker.
George Bradd (son) not sure if he was born 1872 Tottenham. OR Egham, Surrey?He married Eliza Bartlett. He was a coachman working for the Imperial Tobacco company in 1911. It all gets very conbfusing as there are so many George Bradds!

if this is them ( 1881) Emma was born Essex

BRADD, George Head Married M 38 1843 Boot Maker
Harlow Essex
BRADD, Emma Wife Married F 39 1842
Hatfield Bd Oak Essex
BRADD, Alice Emma Daughter Single F 12 1869 Scholar
Hatfield Bd Oak Essex
BRADD, George Son Single M 8 1873 Scholar
Tottenham Middlesex
BRADD, Albert Edwin Son Single M 4 1877
Tottenham Middlesex
BRADD, Ernest Alfred Son Single M 2 1879
Lambeth Surrey


Address:
6, Church Terrace, Lambeth

further information from the parish register

George

of Full Age
Bachelor
Address:- 34 Great James Street
Occupation:- Bootmaker

Father:- George Bradd, Bootmaker



Emma

Of Full Age
Spinster
(no occupation shown)
Address:- 7 Upper John Street

Father:- Benjamin Sapsford, Labourer


Witnesses:- John Bradd and Hannah Sapsford


everyone could sign their own names




sylvia

Record
George Bradd 1868 Shoreditch London, Middlesex
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Eliza Burke 1868 Shoreditch London, Middlesex
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John James Penman 1868 Shoreditch London, Middlesex
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Emma Sapsford 1868 Shoreditch London, Middlesex


Name: George Bradd
Age: Full Age
Estimated birth year: abt 1868
Spouse Name: Emma Sapsford
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 6 Jun 1868
Parish: St John the Baptist, Hoxton
County: Middlesex
Borough: Hackney
Father Name: George Bradd
Spouse Father Name: Benjamin Sapsford


occ Bootmaker

I am trying to find the marriage of, George Bradd b1843 in Harlow, Essex & what his wife`s maiden name was.
I know his wife was called Emma & they had at least 4 children, Alice b1869, George b1872, Albert b1877 & Ernest b1879.
Hope some one can help please.
Thank you/
Teri