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brummiejan

brummiejan Report 20 Aug 2010 17:50

Thanks Vanessa. Jonesey put me onto that site a while back in fact, but I have never used it - I didn't realise it contained such early electoral registers, as I normally just go to the Central Library where they start 1919 I think. Might give it a go though not sure how many of my lot would have been eligible to vote before then!

EDIT just had a look, but doesn't seem to give a list without credits. Never mind!

Regards
Jan

Vanessa

Vanessa Report 20 Aug 2010 18:38

Hi can anyone see who is at 5 court 6 Catherine street in 1901 ? I don't have ancestry . Just wondering if whoever was there is connected to Ellen Clarke as she gives this address 2 years later for lilian's birth.

Thanks

vanessa

Anthony

Anthony Report 20 Aug 2010 20:06

Hi Vanessa
I've been away from the site all day today. Nonsense when you say that finding John's brother isn't the best find, I think it's pretty marvelous when I've trawled through loads of info and come up with nothing of any use.
Thank you, as you say another piece of the jigsaw.

Anthony

Anthony Report 20 Aug 2010 20:34

Hi Vanessa
I've got Ancestry, I don't know how to do this, if you can tell me what to do I'll take a look

Anthony

Anthony Report 20 Aug 2010 20:43

Hello to you too Jan
I think it's wonderful how much help I've had from other people, I think I would have almost given up by now if I'd been on my own. I would never have believed how difficult it was to trace one's grandparents after all it's not that long ago.

brummiejan

brummiejan Report 20 Aug 2010 22:01

Vanessa, it's a bit tricky doing an address search on Ancestry. I think people with FMP can do an address search, so might be better to start a thread?
Jan

Anthony

Anthony Report 20 Aug 2010 23:31

I don't have FMP so I can't help, sorry

brummiejan

brummiejan Report 20 Aug 2010 23:37

Don't do anything, I'll put out a plea for help!
Jan

Quinsgran

Quinsgran Report 20 Aug 2010 23:57

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brummiejan

brummiejan Report 21 Aug 2010 00:05

Victoria kindly did a lookup but not of any help I fear:

215 BIRD, Robert D Head Married M 33 1868 House Painter & Decorator
Walsall
Staffordshire VIEW
215 BIRD, Clara Wife Married F 29 1872
Walsall
Staffordshire VIEW
215 BIRD, Robert D Son Single M 8 1893
Walsall
Staffordshire VIEW
215 BIRD, Florence Daughter Single F 4 1897
Walsall
Staffordshire VIEW
215 BIRD, Harold E Son Single M 2 1899
Walsall
Staffordshire VIEW
215 BIRD, Ethel Daughter Single F 0 1901
Walsall
Staffordshire VIEW
RG number:
RG13 Piece:
2889 Folio:
47 Page:
36

Registration District:
Aston Sub District:
Aston Manor Enumeration District:
60 Ecclesiastical Parish:
Aston by Birmingham St Peter & St Paul

Civil Parish:
Aston Manor Municipal Borough:
Address:
5, 6, Court House, Catherine Street, Aston Manor County:
Warwickshire

brummiejan

brummiejan Report 21 Aug 2010 00:17

Have had a look up & down Catherine St (it's a bit chaotic, I wonder if I am seeing all of it) and there are is a small Clarke family living at 5 court something:

Edward R. 33 Roof slater b. Nechells
Elizabeth 28 b. Aston
Edward 9 born Aston.

If you go to the family that Victoria found on Ancestry (easy to find with that name!) the Edwardses are on page 39.

Jan

Vanessa

Vanessa Report 21 Aug 2010 02:19

Just picking up bits - this birth would tie in with the Cyrus Kirby Vanessa picked up:

Births Mar 1873 (>99%)
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Kirby Cyrus Thomas Birmingham 6d 213

Maybe worth keeping to one side for now?

Vanessa 2
(will put Ness if any more posts to avoid confusion lol)

Vanessa

Vanessa Report 21 Aug 2010 02:26

Is this Ellen's father?

SAMPSON KIRBY Pedigree
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Event(s): Birth: 13 MAY 1832
Christening: 11 JUN 1832 Saint Phillips, Birmingham, Warwick,
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Parents:
Father: JOHN KIRBY Family
Mother: JANE
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Messages:
Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.

There is/was a St Phillips church in Aston, Birmingahm. Many districts at the time come under Aston - at the time covered a huge area!

Ness

Vanessa

Vanessa Report 21 Aug 2010 02:28

Mom & dads marriage?

Marriages Jun 1865 (>99%)
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Allen Howard W.Bromwich 6b 786
Cotterell Caroline Amelia W. Bromwich 6b 786
>>>Jones Caroline W. Bromwich 6b 786
>>>Kirby Sampson W. Bromwich 6b 786

Ness

Vanessa

Vanessa Report 21 Aug 2010 02:31

This would appear to be Sampsons death - ties up with the christening:

Deaths Jun 1878 (>99%)
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KIRBY Sampson 46 Birmingham 6d 61

Ness

Vanessa

Vanessa Report 21 Aug 2010 02:45

For Ref, this is the family living with Sampson in 1871:

KIRBY, Caroline 1845 26 F Birmingham
KIRBY, Charles 1854 17 M Birmingham
KIRBY, Harry 1863 8 M Birmingham
KIRBY, Jane 1856 15 F Birmingham
KIRBY, Robert 1869 2 M Birmingham
KIRBY, Thomas J 1871 0 M Birmingham

There is obviously more than one family here - can anyone see relationships?

Vanessa

Vanessa Report 21 Aug 2010 02:48

And in 1881:
Caroline KIRBY Head W Female 36 Birmingham, Pearl Polisher
Thomas Jones KIRBY Son Male 10 Birmingham, Scholar
Rose KIRBY Daur Female 12 Birmingham, Scholar
Ellen KIRBY Daur Female 8 Birmingham, Scholar
Fanney PARKER Lodger W Female 50 Birmingham, Gard Chain Worker
William PARKER Son U Male 17 Birmingham, Dealer Coal Yard
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Source Information:
Dwelling Back Of 18 Berners St
Census Place Birmingham, Warwick, England
Family History Library Film 1341716
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 2998 / 68
Page Number 31

Can this help rule them out?? Confirm they are the right ones?

Ness

Vanessa

Vanessa Report 21 Aug 2010 03:44

There has been a lot posted on here so sorry if this is duplicate (let me know & I will delete) but the John Babbington born London, living with Helen in Ecclesall Bierlow, was living in Birmingham in 1881! And I am almost certain there is mention of Bishopsgate St???

John BABINGTON Head M Male 42 Scotland Journeyman Bricklayer
Jane BABINGTON Wife M Female 37 London St Pancras, London, Middlesex, England
John BABINGTON Son U Male 16 London Hampstead, London, Middlesex, England Street Orderly Tender (Scay)
Edward BABINGTON Son Male 13 Norwood, Surrey, England Scholar
Joseph BABINGTON Son Male 11 Norwood, Surrey, England Scholar
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Source Information:
Dwelling Bishopsgate St Court 20 No 1
Census Place Birmingham, Warwick, England
Family History Library Film 1341712
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 2977 / 119
Page Number 36

Ness

Anthony

Anthony Report 21 Aug 2010 07:51

Good Morning People
It's a pity we're 2 hours ahead here, looks like I missed a lot of activity overnight, don't you ever sleep?
I've just logged on this morning, I am going out but will try to log on later.

I can say to Vanessa that yes you are right, John Babbington born London, living with Helen in Ecc B in 1901 was living in Birmingham in 1871 age 7 at 140 Clifton Rd Aston, Church Aston and again in 1881 at Bishopsgate Street but the ages of mum and dad were really odd, if you take a look at Page 11 my post on 18th Aug asking for 'Help!' I'd managed to find these. Christopher is missing in 1881, he was only 5 in 1871, I can't find a death but I expect he was staying somewhere else - they had 'sleep-overs' even in those days, I just wish they wouldn't have done them on the night of a census!
John turns up again on 1891 census at 54 Ryder Street 'married' to Elizabeth (can't find marriage) living with Elizabeth Carringon m-in-law, Joseph brother age 22, Christopher Babington age 1 a boarder (seems odd) and Thomas Carrington age 20 also a boarder.
John's name is spelt Babbington in 1871, then Babington in 1881, 1891 and on his death record in 1901, if this is him, I expect you will say don't worry about the spelling but it sometimes makes searching for a novice like me very difficult especially on GR.

Anthony

Anthony Report 21 Aug 2010 09:56

News - the birth certificate for William Clarke 1904 Aston was the wrong William, mother was Louisa, probably a relative though.
More info re William from brother in Australia: -
he can remember collecting William for Dad's funeral (1982), he was retired then and in a wheelchair, no longer living with Muriel and possibly even re-married, he was still alive for Mum's funeral in 1987.
His son William J (known to us as Billy) born1937 Birmingham worked for Post Office Telephones then he did his 2 years National Service in the Royal Signals possibly 1955/56/57 before re-joining the PO Telephone Company or whatever it was called in those days. Does anyone interested in more recent military history know if you can search for someone this way? I was thinking he would have had to give a next of kin and a home address like the Thomas Clarke a few pages back.
When pushed (all this searching is turning me into a bully) my brother says he thinks William was younger than Dad.
I don't want everyone to think I'm sitting back and letting you do all the work because I am trying, I really am