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I am trying to find about sutty or could be Tutty Cole i have a birth in Brookland on the Romney Marsh about 1908 he is down as three in the 1911 census but can`t find anything else

How did you get back to him please? Who is he living with in 1911 please?

HOUSEHOLD COLE SUTTY M 1908 3 Maidstone Kent
HOUSEHOLD COLE ARTHUR M 1897 14 Maidstone Kent
HOUSEHOLD COLE EMILY F 1862 49 Maidstone Kent
HOUSEHOLD COLE HOLLY F 1901 10 Maidstone Kent
HOUSEHOLD COLE IVY F 1899 12 Maidstone Kent

PM from Stella

I have been sent the census records 1911 and sutty is on the bottom age 3 years b. Brookland i have never heard of him before
emily cole head 49
emily leigh daughter 30
edwin waters son 22
violet waters daughter 23
arthur cole son 14
ivy cole daughter 3
holly cole daughter 10
ivy leigh grandaughter 7
arthur leigh grandson 5
harriet easton visiter 22
arthur davies boarder 31
george baily boarder 18
jack cornford boarder 20
sutty cole 3 son ? b. brookland
the family surname was waters but was changed to cole why when ?



This would explain why I had difficulty finding a birth for Holly.



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Births Sep 1901 (>99%)
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WATERS Holly Margery Ticehurst 2b 110



1901 Census

Name: Emily Waters
Age: 39
Estimated birth year: abt 1862
Relation: Wife
Spouse's name: Amos
Gender: Female
Where born: Oxford, Oxfordshire, England

Civil parish: Lamberhurst
Ecclesiastical parish: Lamberhurst St Mary
County/Island: Kent
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Ticehurst
Sub-registration district: Wadhurst
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 108
Household Members: Name Age
Amos Waters 41
Emily Waters 39
Violet Waters 13
Gladys Waters 11
Getrude Waters 10
Arthur Waters 4
Ivy Waters 3

Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 894; Folio: 103; Page: 16


Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

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Marriages Dec 1877 (>99%)
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Jones Emily Philadelphia A Ticehurst 2b 217
WATERS Amos Ticehurst 2b 217



I don't see a death for Amos so it doesn't look like Emily had remarried. Is she married or widowed on the 1911 census please?


I can't find a possible birth for "Sutty".

Could this be your Amos in 1911 - sorry I don't have a subscription for the 1911 to see the details.

HOUSEHOLD WATERS AMOS M 1860 51 Cranbrook Kent

looks to be living with these people.

HOUSEHOLD WATERS BEATRICE FLORENCE F 1892 19 Cranbrook Kent
HOUSEHOLD WATERS FRED M 1855 56 Cranbrook Kent
HOUSEHOLD WATERS PERCY FRANK M 1890 21 Cranbrook Kent
HOUSEHOLD WATERS TYRRELL WALTER M 1898 13 Cranbrook Kent

Have you looked at the actual census image?

Rose

1871 England Census
about Amos Waters
Name: Amos Waters
Age: 11
Estimated birth year: abt 1860
Relation: Son
Father's Name: John
Mother's Name: Harriett
Gender: Male
Where born: Goudhurst, Kent, England
Civil parish: Goudhurst
Ecclesiastical parish: Kilndown
County/Island: Kent
Country: England
Registration district: Cranbrook
Sub-registration district: Hawkhurst
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Household schedule number: 50
Household Members: Name Age
John Waters 61
Harriett Waters 55
Frederick Waters 17 <<<<<is this who Amos is with in 1911?
Amos Waters 11
Frances Waters 8





1881 England Census
about Amos Waters
Name: Amos Waters
Age: 21
Estimated birth year: abt 1860
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Emily
Gender: Male
Where born: Goudhurst, Kent, England

Civil parish: Goudhurst
County/Island: Kent
Country: England

Street Address: The Quarter
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status: View image
Occupation: Farm Laborer

Registration district: Cranbrook
Sub-registration district: Hawkhurst
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Amos Waters 21
Emily Waters 20
Amos J. Waters 2
Emily Waters






1891 England Census
about Amos Walters
Name: Amos Walters
Age: 31
Estimated birth year: abt 1860
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Emily
Mother's Name: Ann
Gender: Male
Where born: Goudhurst, Kent, England

Civil parish: Lamberhurst
Ecclesiastical parish: Lamberhurst
County/Island: Sussex
Country: England


Registration district: Ticehurst
Sub-registration district: Wadhurst
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Amos Walters 31 <<Gen labourer
Emily Walters 30
Ann Jones 75 <<<<Mother
Amos Walters 12
Emily Walters 10
William Walters 9
Daisey Walters 7
Edwin Walters 5
Voilet Walters 3
Gladys Walters 1
Gertrude Walters 7

Id guess this is Amos birth and death



Births Dec 1858 (>99%)
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Waters Amos Cranbrook 2a 464




Deaths Jun 1930 (>99%)
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Waters Amos 73 Cranbrook 2a 1085

So Emily was born a Jones, married a Waters and died as Cole!



Deaths Jun 1932 (>99%)
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Cole Emily P A 70 Maidstone 2a 1098



Can someone do another 1911 search for this family, I was just wondering if the one that has been posted may be wrong?

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1911
COLE, Emily Head Widow F 49 1862 Confectioners Shop Oxford
LEIGH, Emily Daughter Widow F 30 1881 Assisting In Shop Lamberhurst
WATERS, Edwin Son Single M 25 1886 At Home Goudhurst
WATERS, Voilet Daughter Single F 23 1888 Lamberhurst
COLE, Arthur Son M 14 1897 Grocer Lad Lamberhurst
COLE, Ivy Daughter F 12 1899 School Lamberhurst
COLE, Holly Daughter Single F 10 1901 Lamberhurst
LEIGH, Ivy Grandchild F 7 1904 Cpe Town
LEIGH, Arthur Grandchild M 5 1906 Lamberhurst
EATON, Harriett Visitor Single F 22 1889 Cook Wadhurst
DAVIS, Arthur Boarder Married M 31 1880 Grocer Knighton
BAILEY, George Boarder Single M 18 1893 Grocer Aldershot
CRONFORD, Jack Boarder Single M 20 1891 Grocer Little London
COLE, Sutty Son M 3 1908 Brookland

Parish:
Maidstone

Address:
24 King ST


It could be Tutty/Sutty/Lutty...Or...the u could be ei
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WATERS, Fred Head Widower M 56 1855 Farm Labourer Kent Kilndown
WATERS, Beatrice Florence Daughter Single F 19 1892 Kent Kilndown
WATERS, Percy Frank Son Single M 21 1890 Farm Labourer Kent Kilndown
WATERS, Tyrrell Walter Son M 13 1898 School Kent Kilndown
WATERS, Amos Boarder Married M 51 1860 Farm Labourer Kent Kilndown


Address:
The Hollies Kilndown Goudhurst


I rather suspect that Emily and Amos parted their ways around 1901 and Emily took up with a Mr Cole and took his name to appear respectable.

Then either he died or left her before 1911.

Could the T//S/Lutty child be.. Leslie?

I don`t know what happened to amos who was my grandfather i do know the marriage was finished and emily and some of the family went to australia must have been after the 1911 census as she is on that as a widow, true / false? some of them were cole and some waters i have a death certificate for amos 1930 age 73 kilndown woodsman i am hoping this is him the dates seem right but nothing to help on certificate

Do you know who went with her to OZ please?

went to australia
emily cole. ( emily daughter leigh/cole. her children daughter emily son arthur ) edwin waters. ivy cole .holly cole. arthur cole.@ gladys cole ? not sure if there were anymore
not sure about violet she may have already been in new zealand but she ended up with the family in australia with her daughter phyllis she died there in 1920 sad story

New South Wales, Australia, Unassisted Immigrant Passenger Lists, 1826-1922
about Holly Cole
Name: Holly Cole
Estimated birth year: abt 1903
Age: 9
Port of Departure: London
Port of Arrival: Sydney, New South Wales
Voyage Arrival Date: 6 Jun 1912
Vessel Name: Themistocles

And here are the gang with Holly


Emily Cole <<Listed as 'housewife' age not listed
Emily Cole <<<age not listed
Gladys Cole<<<age not listed
Ivy Cole <<<1901
Rosie Cole <<<1904
Arthur Cole <<<age not listed
Jack Cole <<<1906

The only COLE birth I can find around that area and time.

Births Jun 1905

Cole Percy Henry ..Romney M. 2a 1168


Even now, Brookland is a 'blink and you've missed it' sort of place.
Very interesting church there.

Gwyn

gang with holly going to australia there is sidney ? could this be sutty? haven`t heard this name before

Ginny

Do you have ages for Rosie, Sydney and Jack on the passenger list please?

Had we found a Rosie, Sydney or Jack Cole before? Or am I just getting confused now!

Root

Ive listed the ages that came up on individule searches as I couldnt see an age on the actual record so I dont know where the transcriber got the ages from!

I cant see a record for Sydney?

See page one

Edit; hang on there is NO Sydney. I must have c/p the place Sydney!!!

I can see the ages....doh!

I wonder if Jack is our 'Sutty' geezer?


What about this;



Births Mar 1908 (>99%)
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Cole John William S Croydon 2a 371





'S'.....Sutty?

thanks for all your help i think the sidney? not sutty / tutty could have been a senior moment on my part

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