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Joyce Report 9 Aug 2013 22:00

Hi I have just been told William and Harriet Had a daughter. Who had a daughter and 3 sons. Information on Ancestry. No info on names as this is blocked. And Harriet died 1984 aged 87. I have messaged trees on Genes who seem to have the same family. Hopefully I will get answers.. Joyce


Joyce Report 8 Aug 2013 20:02

Hi forgot to say William Frederick was in Townsville Dailey Bulletin. Qld 1885 1954. 18th oct 1935 p2. Advertising his death. All to go to his widow. So she was still alive after him. Thank you Joyce


Joyce Report 8 Aug 2013 19:51

Hi can't believe more information on page 3. I have a marriage for Elizabeth to John William Cornford both aged 45 in 1931. Rena Bond sister was at wedding.. But no one seems to be on line from Cornford family. William Frederick Rowland is given as Father deceased. That's another ??? As father on birth record's is Frederick.William Also Marriage to Mother Matilda. But I've not found death cert for a Frederick William. But on matilda Death 1909 it states widow of Frederick William.. Will now have to look for a death here for a William Frederick. I've been looking for The death records Reggie found on BMD site to order certs. But have not been able to trace them. Did he get them from another site. Yes I do have detail on Rena and her children. But not her death. But the Bond family are Not doing tree's either. unless on other sites... Thank you again. I have a lot more lead's to follow now. Regard's Joyce. :-S :-S :-S :-S


Joyce Report 8 Aug 2013 19:23

Hi Thank you so much for all this information. Yes Elizabeth was in service. In 1911 she was at Hyde Park Garden' London . I have now found William married in 1926 in Townsville Queensland. And died in 1935. His wife was Harriet Mill's would like to get copy of marriage cert. To see if any of family got to the wedding. Yes I think I have been in touch with the other member's who Have Gertrude but none able to tell me anything after 1911. I will certainly follow up On the sites you have Advised..Thank you again. Regard's Joyce.

۞ Cherilyn ۞

۞ Cherilyn ۞ Report 4 Aug 2013 08:42

Is this Elizabeth's marriage - seems to be right district:

Marriages Jun 1920 (>99%)
Rowland Elizabeth _ Sheppard Tendring 4a 1857
Sheppard Arthur G Rowland Tendring 4a 1857

Assume you have Rena's, since Reggie found her death, not sure if some posts have been deleted?

Marriages Sep 1916 (>99%)
Bond Charles W H Rowland Chelmsford 4a 1167
Rowland Rena M Bond Chelmsford 4a 1167

۞ Cherilyn ۞

۞ Cherilyn ۞ Report 4 Aug 2013 08:21

Thanks Chris!

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 4 Aug 2013 08:11

(Thankyou Cherilyn)

Chris :)

Outgoing Passenger (Find My Past)
Date of departure: 31 May 1907
Port of departure: London
Passenger destination port: Brisbane, Australia
Passenger destination: Brisbane, Australia
Date of Birth: 1885 (calculated from age)
Age: 22
Marital status: Single
Sex: Male
Occupation: Farmhand
Passenger recorded on: Page 7 of 14
Official Number:
Master's name: D R W Parsons
Steamship Line:
Where bound: Australia
Square feet: 9644
Registered tonnage: 8291
Passengers on voyage: 451

۞ Cherilyn ۞

۞ Cherilyn ۞ Report 4 Aug 2013 08:04

Birth for a Harriett Ethel Norton MILLS in 1897 (rural Qld), daughter of Joseph and Mary Ann (nee REYNOLDS) (reg C3322). ??? Of course it is possible it was her 2nd marriage and so MILLS was not actually her maiden name...[EDIT: there is a tree online that states she married Wm Fredk ROWLAND 1926, no other details]

She had siblings named James Beresford MILLS 1891-1978, Hy Wm 1882-1883, Maud Margaret 1883-?, and Ellen Elizabeth 1888-1961.

Unfortunately I can't find a death for her, nor a death notice for Wm in newspapers, which might have given children's names if any. Since he died quite young, she may have remarried (nothing found to 1938, which is the limit under privacy laws).

If you are really keen you can order Wm's death certificate - Aussie death certs are very detailed. However, Qld ones are very pricey! A$28, which is about 18 euros or 16 pounds.

۞ Cherilyn ۞

۞ Cherilyn ۞ Report 4 Aug 2013 07:54

Thanks to Chris for sending me the link :-)

Hi Joyce

William was here by the time of WWI as he enlisted. His next of kin was his sister Miss E A Rowland of 16 Lowndes Square, London S.W. (Elizabeth I assume). He was 30 and a single man when he enlisted in Oct 1915 (so this also means Elizabeth was still single then). He was discharged medically unfit. If you go to you will find his digitised service record:

ROWLAND William Frederick : Service Number - Depot : Place of Birth - Colchester England : Place of Enlistment - Townsville QLD : Next of Kin - (Sister) ROWLAND E A

I believe I have found Wm's emigration. There is a good match for him arriving in Qld on 18 July 1907 aboard Omrah aged 22. No other ROWLAND with him. He also appears duplicated as ROWLANDS.

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 3 Aug 2013 06:19

Hello Joyce, have added your Aus. query to below link, to see if anything can pehaps be found.

Chris :)

Have you checked 'Search All Member Trees', under 'Search, top right of page here?, there looks to be other Members with Gertrude.

As yet, haven't located William going to Aus.


Joyce Report 2 Aug 2013 21:24

Looking for Rowland family in Australia. Does Genes have a connection. William Frederick Rowland Born in Essex England. 1885..1935. And wife Harriet Ethel Mills. Married in Queensland Australia 1926....Did Harriet have any sibling's. Were there any Children. Please advise where 2 look. Joyce


Joyce Report 2 Aug 2013 17:52

Hi Chris Thank you for the above Information. Another place to search. Will see if I can find any contacts from Australia.. Maybe that's where Gertrude went. Would there be a shipping list to say who went out there. And when.. Not to good at this But if I go to the web sites you list. Could I find out if they had children. I do know that when I was very small I used to have parcel's from an Auntie Wendy. In Australia. But they ceased. And no other mention of her. Thank you again for you help. Hopefully I'm getting closer to finding more Family and what happened to Gertrude.

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 31 Jul 2013 17:25

Townsville Daily Bulletin (Qld. : 1885 - 1954) Friday 18 October 1935 p 2 Advertising ... William Frederick Rowland, deoeased, may be granted to HARRIET ETHEL ROWLAND, Widow,the sole executrix

(from below, Aus. Newspapers)

Chris :)

Australia Death Index, 1787-1985
Name: William Frederick Rowland
Death Date: 28 Jul 1935
Death Place: Queensland
Father's Name: Frederick
Mother's Name: Matilda Allison
Registration Year: 1935
Registration Place: Queensland
Registration number: 003197
Page Number: 1635

Australia Marriage Index, 1788-1950
Name: William Frederick Rowland
Spouse Name: Harriet Ethel Mills
Marriage Date: 27 Sep 1926
Marriage Place: Queensland
Registration Place: Queensland
Registration Year: 1926
Registration number: 002837
Page Number: 3485


Joyce Report 31 Jul 2013 17:18

Hi I haven't seen Gertrude's possible death. Please point me in the right direction. Then I might get some more info from death cert. Will start and read through your answer's again. So excited to get so much new info. Missing the important part's.


Joyce Report 31 Jul 2013 17:15

Hi Maddie and Reggie Thank you again Will send for the Swindon Death cert for Gertrude. and see if it is the right one. And try to make sense of what happened.


Joyce Report 31 Jul 2013 17:15

Hi Maddie and Reggie Thank you again Will send for the Swindon Death cert for Gertrude. and see if it is the right one. And try to make sense of what happened.

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 31 Jul 2013 16:58

(not seeing Army Record, just below)

British Army WWI Medal Rolls Index Cards, 1914-1920
Name: Bertie A Rowland
Regiment or Corps: Coldstream Guards
Regimental Number: 15312

(above has mention of Brother, Mr W.F Rowland, c/o Mr A. Brett, News Agent, Flinders St., Townsville, Queensland, Australia)

Births Jun 1885 (>99%)
Rowland William Frederick Tendring 4a 445

(presume above?)

Chris :)

edits (above can be downloaded from below £3.36)


Joyce Report 31 Jul 2013 16:47

Hi I haven't seen Gertrude's possible death. Please point me in the right direction. Then I might get some more info from death cert. Will start and read through your answer's again. So excited to get so much new info. Missing the important part's.


Joyce Report 31 Jul 2013 16:21

Hi Thank's again I do have the Death cert for Matilda Rowland. the witness to this was her daughter Elizabeth Rowland who I believe was her eldest daughter who was not with the family in 1891. At the time of Matilda's death she gave her address as Hyde Park Garden's London. Believe she was in service. Matilda died at The Cottage Hospital Clacton on Sea. That is why Bertie was living with Gertrude and family in 1911.


Reggie Report 31 Jul 2013 16:13

Didn't you notice the possible death for Gertrude?