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John Lyon bap 01 Feb 1696 Kettering NTHS

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moonbi Report 29 Oct 2010 12:53

Looking for more information. This time on Robert and Richard Lyon of Weekley NTHS; brothers of John whose will was proved 1598. Weekley;
so born in the 1500's

Further progress on ancestors of John Lyon born 1696
go to last page of this thread.

not sure if he was born in Cranford or not,
He married Sarah at St Faith, Newton in the Willows Northamptonshire in 1720.

he was buried on 24 Nov 1757 at Cranford St Andrew.

Trying to work out Sarah surname. Thinking it may be Holmes
EDIT :yes it is

would like to find John's parents.


Mary Report 29 Oct 2010 13:24

None of the trees on Ancestry have his parents or Sarah's surname.



moonbi Report 29 Oct 2010 13:37

i have tried Family search, and free reg but cant get past what I have shared.


Mark Report 30 Oct 2010 00:05

Was a Will left... this my lead to other family members being listed and a clue to the maiden name


moonbi Report 31 Oct 2010 01:02

Thank you Mark, how do I find if a will was left for the date November 1757 ?

I am an Australian member and use the net for my initial research and then send for the certs etc.

Where can I look up wills for Cranford St Andrew Northamptonshire?


moonbi Report 31 Oct 2010 01:04

do you think I should send for the marriage cert?


moonbi Report 17 Nov 2010 01:43

the John Lyon who married Sarah Holmes in 1720 at Newton Le Willows IS the family I must research.
There is another
John Lyon married Sarah..........unknown
as the first child born 1727, marriage would be about that year

This is the family details now:
LDS film 537224
John Lyon birth 1695 of Cranford St John
Burial 24 Nov 1757
Sarah ...... Birth about 1699 of Cranford St John
Burial 25th August 1773 C. ST. J

Children of the above parents

John bap. 30 Jan 1727 C St Andrew; his burial at Cranford St Andrew 23 May 1762

Elizabeth bap. 05 April 1730

Luke bap. 07 May 1732

Eleanor bap. 05 May 1734. married Edward Hull on 12 Oct 1766

William bap. 31 May 1737 burial 23 April 1777. married Mary Houghton on 10 July 1761

Mary bap. 09 April 1740


Flick Report 17 Nov 2010 10:54

To answer your question of 31st October......until July 1837, there were no such items as certs.

Certs only started being issued when the GRO came into being.


Potty Report 17 Nov 2010 11:21

Re your question about wills: the National Archives has some early wills in their Documents on line. The images can be downloaded:

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 17 Nov 2010 11:26

The above link takes you to a look up service...Free, just send e mail address.

Chris :)

(found by googling)


moonbi Report 17 Nov 2010 12:33

thank you everyone,

yes I found out that certs only refer to post 1837.

since my last post of 31 Oct I have looked for wills at the above mentioned site, but unfortunately no mention.

Have also been conversing with member 0372 of Northamptonshire Family History society, and that is why I updated my thread today. as I realised from from the details he gave that probably I had the wrong wife.
Looks like there are two John Lyon with wife Sarah/
One being Sarah Holmes
The other Sarah Unknown


moonbi Report 19 Nov 2010 22:51

I think I may have sorted it out

John Lyon {"Top of the Tree" } 1695 married Sarah Holmes in Newton in the Willows Northamptonshire on 21 April 1720
is the CORRECT family.

Sorry I have been confusing everyone else as well as my self.

The second John who married a Sarah Bamford is grandson of the fIrst John.

Wedding record states "John Lyon of Kettering to Sarah Holmes of Kettering at Newton Le Willows St Faith's Church of England on 21 April 1720"

So now I have moved my search for PARENTS of John Lyon born about 1695 Kettering area.
I realise all these places are close to each other, but Im hoping this tack will turn up something else.

Already found out that about 40 men were taken prisoner in Saint Faith's church during the 1609 peasants revolt against inclosure.
They were later hung and quartered.

A gruesome thing that ancestors may have been involved in.


moonbi Report 21 Nov 2010 07:09

trying to work out if Kettering was in Lancashire area in the 1690"s

or was it in Northamptonshire??

Have the boundaries changed

there seem a possibility for a John Lyon born about 1695 in Lancashire

John Lyon baptized 07 June 1693 son of George Lyon of Liverpool.

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 21 Nov 2010 08:41

Not sure if the Member on this link researching the name Lyon is you, if not might be of help,

Think Lancashire would be a bit too far North, google brings up a lot of history.

Chris :)


moonbi Report 21 Nov 2010 12:11

Dear Chris
Thank you for this info about Lancashire being a bit far north.
Im not sure at all of the geography even though I look on "ancient maps"

if you could
refer back to my post of the 17th November on this thread, you can see that I have already been in contact with this NFH member, number 372, who has been most helpful recently pointing me to the correctness of the Marriage at Newton in the Willows 1720.

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 21 Nov 2010 12:18

Oops!, sorry Annette.

Chris :)


moonbi Report 5 Dec 2010 02:47

I am presently reviewing all the info that I have in respect of the Australian born Lyon.
Going over it and looking for other connections.

Starting again and going through all the parental records.

Having gone up the tree on the one branch, I am now looking into the branch of the youngest sibling and working my way back up from there, hoping to glean more info about the first family.
Is my thought of adding a leaf, and working backwards from that person a reasonable way to pursue the information that is lacking from my branch?


moonbi Report 29 Mar 2011 06:40

A gr member has kindly sent me a photo of John Lyon grave stone
in the Cranford St John cemetery.

Also other photos of Cranford area, streets, homes etc.


moonbi Report 5 Apr 2011 23:52

Following up on the lead for
Newton in the willows Nrths. This is where John Lyon and Sarah Holmes got married on 21 April 1720.

Looking for any other information about St Faith Newton in the Willows, Northamptonshire, for the family Lyon and its spelling variations, esp Lion and Lynne.

Source Free Reg

Martha Lion bap 12 July 1673 daughter of Richard Lion (file 266)

Elizabeth Lyon
01 April 1672 daughter if John Lyon (file 262)

Mary Lion 28 July 1678 (File 262)

David Lyon abode Geddington married Sarah Anderson abode Geddington
on 06 Jan 1723/24 by banns (file 275)

Susanna Lyon abode Geddington married Thomas Edwins abode Geddington on 05 April 1730 by banns

Dinah Lyon abode Geddington married Robert Garfield abode Drayton Leicestershire 0n 23 Oct 1743 by banns (file 275) Banns taken from BTS

Sarah Lyon abode Geddington married Lawrence Curtis of Geddington on 15 June 1748 by banns (file 275)


JaneyCanuck Report 6 Apr 2011 00:09

Kettering has always been in Northamptonshire, don't think it's even close to Lancashire! (My grandmother's families are from Wellingborough area.)

I have Northamptonshire marriages pre-1837 parish records. Can't tell on a quick skim whether anything there would still help you. Let me know if so! Checking what I have is a bit of a production so just spell it out for me.

Just taking a quick look, first off I see David to Sarah Anderson 1734-5 that you have.

John Lyon of Kettering to Sarah Holmes of Kettering 21 apr 1720 Newton-le-Willows

No male Lion marriages there, also no Lynn/Lynne or Lyne, so you seem to have what there is.

For brides, Dinah, Sarah and Susanna, the ones you have. No Lion or Lynn etc.

In fact for all the brides with surname L in parish registers pre-1837, likely about 4500-5000 per my rough guestimate of this file, there were only about 6 who married in Newton-le-Willows. Small town. ;)