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Gertrude Stephens b.1919 Southampton

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gallifrey

gallifrey Report 8 Nov 2010 00:48

Can anyone help me find a marriage or death for my great aunt Gertrude A. (Annie?) Stephens b. 1919 Southampton. I can't seem to find anything for her after her birth. Thanks .

JaneyCanuck

JaneyCanuck Report 8 Nov 2010 00:51

For ref:

Births Mar 1919
Stephens Gertrude A Trevitt Southampton 2c 104

She could have been born late 1918 and the birth registered 1919. Do you know her exact date of birth?

If she lived to 1970, her death record in the GRO index should include her date of birth, at least as known to the informant.

That index can be searched by given name and DOB only, without a surname, and this can often find a match and the surname can then be tracked back to a marriage.

brummiejan

brummiejan Report 8 Nov 2010 00:52

I suspect there are a few Gertrude A. Stephens around! have you tried looking for matches on here using "search trees" above?

Just in case:

Marriages Jun 1939
Smith John R T Stephens Southampton 2c 274
Stephens Gertrude A Smith Southampton 2c 274

Jan

JaneyCanuck

JaneyCanuck Report 8 Nov 2010 00:54

Is this not a likely candidate?

Name: Gertrude A Stephens
Spouse: John R T Smith
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1939
Registration district: Southampton
Registration county (inferred): Hampshire
Volume Number: 2c
Page Number: 274

John Smith, how unfortunate, if so. ;)

Oops, ditto.

Only the certificate would tell you whether that is a match.

gallifrey

gallifrey Report 8 Nov 2010 00:59

Thanks, I'm afraid I don't know her exact date of birth but this marriage looks quite likely. Thanks very much both of you for your help.

JaneyCanuck

JaneyCanuck Report 8 Nov 2010 01:06

There are Smith-Stephens births in Southampton in 1940 and 1948 -- the gap could be consistent with absence during WWII, if the births are to that marriage.

There's no other Smith-Stephens marriage in the vicinity around that time.

Only one of those births is transcribed at FreeBMD so far (1948). If you need the other, shout.

JaneyCanuck

JaneyCanuck Report 8 Nov 2010 01:08

And of course, three people have Gertrude Stephens 1919 Southampton in their trees ................ Had you searched??

Madmeg

Madmeg Report 8 Nov 2010 01:18

What Janey is suggesting is that you should try the Search Trees facility at the top of the page, and contact those people to see if they share your ancestor and can help.

Click on Search Trees and then All Trees, and input the details that you have.

gallifrey

gallifrey Report 8 Nov 2010 01:24

Thanks. They are all in my contacts and don't have anything except her birthdate and place. I've found a death for a Gertude A. Smith but she was born in 1906. I'l have to keep trawling through Smith deaths. Could take a while.... I was told that she may have died from a brain tumour so may not have lived a particularly long life. Thanks for your help.

JaneyCanuck

JaneyCanuck Report 8 Nov 2010 01:39

This is the only exact match for either Gertrude A or Gertrude Annie Smith:

Name: Gertrude Annie Smith
Birth Date: 16 Mar 1919 >> fits the birth reg Q1 1919
Death Registration Month/Year: Feb 2000
Age at death (estimated): 80
Registration district: South Staffordshire
Inferred County: Staffordshire
Register number: 17
District and Subdistrict: 7341
Entry number: 209

But getting both her birth certificate and the Stephens-Smith marriage certificate is theonly way to know.

gallifrey

gallifrey Report 8 Nov 2010 01:49

That seems to fit well although her birth reg is 2c 104. Interesting that it's the right birth year though. I wonder if that's her. Thanks for that. I might get her birth certificate and see if the date matches. If it is she lived longer than I thought. Thanks very much.

gallifrey

gallifrey Report 4 Jun 2013 00:22

Thanks to everyone for their help with this.
I've been able to contact a family member who has been able to tell me that Gertrude married Jim Winship and had two daughters Barbara and Susan. I found Susan as a Winship/Stephens birth but I can't find Barbara or the marriage for Jim Winship and Gertrude Stephens. Any help would be appreciated. :-)

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 4 Jun 2013 06:17

heres her death

Name: Gertrude Alice Winship
Birth Date: 26 Jan 1919
Date of Registration: Sep 1985
Age at Death: 66
Registration District: Southampton
Inferred County: Hampshire
Volume: 20
Page: 1462

so still in the same area as her birth

Penny

Penny Report 4 Jun 2013 06:24


Name:
Henry J B Winship
Spouse Surname Smith Or Stephens
Date of Registration:Jan-Feb-Mar 1954
Registration District:Winchester
Inferred County:Hampshire
Volume Number:6b
Page Number:1661

_________


Name:
Gertrude A Stephens
Spouse Surname: Winship
Date of Registration:Jan-Feb-Mar 1954
Registration District:Winchester
Inferred County:Hampshire
Volume Number:6b
Page Number1661

presume she married Smith first

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 4 Jun 2013 06:25

Name: Henry J B Winship
Spouse Surname: Smith Or Stephens
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1954
Registration District: Winchester
Inferred County: Hampshire
Volume Number: 6b
Page Number: 1661
Find Spouse: Gertrude A Stephens

Name: Gertrude A Smith
Spouse Surname: Winship
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1954
Registration District: Winchester
Inferred County: Hampshire
Volume Number: 6b
Page Number: 1661
Find Spouse: Henry J B Winship




so looks like she married John Smith first.

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 4 Jun 2013 06:29

maybe there was a later divorce from MR Smith and she lived with Henry as the only birth for them comes up pre 1954

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 4 Jun 2013 06:45

name: Henry James B Winship
Birth Date: 7 Jan 1904
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1976
Age at Death: 72
Registration District: Southampton
Inferred County: Hampshire
Volume: 20
Page: 1657

Name: Henry James B Winship
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1904
Registration District: Portsmouth
Inferred County: Hampshire
Volume: 2b
Page: 416


Name: Henry J B Winship
Spouse Surname: Harding Or Johnson
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1930
Registration District: Romsey
Inferred County: Hampshire
Volume Number: 2a
Page Number: 181
Find Spouse: Rosetta M Johnson/Rosetta M Harding

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 4 Jun 2013 06:56

Births Mar 1904
JOHNSON Rosetta May Romsey 2c 112


there are several chidren from that marriage for 1930 to 1940 look on FreeBMD

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 4 Jun 2013 06:59

Seems Henry and Rosetta must have divorced

Name: Rosetta M Winship
Spouse Surname: Ross
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1953
Registration District: Southampton
Inferred County: Hampshire
Volume Number: 6b
Page Number: 1356
Find Spouse: George Ross



Name: Rosetta M Ross
Birth Date: abt 1902
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1967
Age at Death: 65
Registration District: Southampton
Inferred County: Hampshire
Volume: 6b
Page: 803

age out a bit

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 4 Jun 2013 07:05

she may have been born Johnson but her mum married a Harding ??


Marriages Mar 1909
HARDING Frederick William Christchurch 2b 1045

JOHNSON Mary Jane Christchurch 2b 1045