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1851 with Sarah Elizabeth Hughes 1851 is sister Ellen Hughes born 1847

1861 Ellen hughes with parents William now with Phoebe as wife.
Address 10.West James Street Regent Road D 29 > 2
There is no Sarah Elizabeth but there is Elizabeth Ann age 9

I knew I had seen the James Street in our search and here it is below.

1881 10,West James Street Regent Road Salford D 20 > 15
George dean
Sarah Elizabeth Dean 1851 salford.
Mary Dean 1877.

1881 William Hughes dad of Ellen and Sarah Elizabeth at 62,Brighton Street Ordsall (This address also rings a bell)

Maryb

That's interesting Mary :)

This is the only birth I can find for Elizabeth Ann. A bit late for her to be 9 but close enough?
Births Dec 1853
HUGHES Elizabeth Ann Salford 8d 51

Oh, and Ellen
Births Sep 1846 Hughes Ellen Salford 20 917

I have been looking to see if Sarah Elizabeth might have been married before. I wonder where she is in 1861, as she would only be about 10.

Mary, they also have Maud and Rebecca in 1881

George Dean 26
Sarah Elizabeth Dean 30
Mary Elizabeth Dean 4
Maud Dean 1
Rebecca Dean

I think I got my undergarments in a twist re that Sarah Eleanor marriage.

I'm still concerned about those words that Robert can't read on the bc - I was wrong earlier, "formerly Hughes" means her maiden name, but in front of that could be "late Something".

Has Robert emailed a scan, Christine?

George in 1901?

1901 England Census
about Maude Crocker Name: Maude Crocker
[Maude Deane]
Age: 21
Estimated birth year: abt 1880
Relation: Wife
Spouse's name: Fredrick Crocker
Father's name: George Deane
Gender: Female
Where born: Pendleton, Lancashire, England

Civil Parish: Salford
Ecclesiastical parish: Paddington St Paul
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Registration district: Salford
Sub-registration district: Regent Road
ED, institution, or vessel: 12
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 70
Fredrick Crocker 27
Maude Crocker 21
George Deane 46 - Hawker, b Manchester
Florance Deane 15 - b Salford

Not yet Meg. No sign of him coming back to the thread yet though.
I would like to see it for the same reason as you.
I was going to do some cross checking of her possibly marrying before.
Have to go to lunch now though.

I've just seen your last post Meg. Maud Crocker - Maud Dean ?

Yes Christine.

Marriages Sep 1900 (>99%)
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Crocker Frederick Salford 8d 134
Dean Maud Salford 8d 134

Marriages Mar 1869 (>99%)
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Hughes Sarah Elizabeth Salford 8d 39
Snape Henry Salford 8d 39

Lancs BMD confirms. But I can't find either of them in 1871.

There's a Henry Snape committed to 1 year in prison for attempting carnal knowledge of a girl under 12 - trial May 1871, so might he have been in custody at the time of the census?

I don't think I have seen a correction to this one madmeg posted

Marriages Sep 1894 (>99%)
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***Brotherton Sarah Eleanor Chorlton 8c 1104
Dawson Elizabeth Ann Chorlton 8c 1104
***Dean George Chorlton 8c 1104
SMITH Charles Chorlton 8c 1104

from lancs bmd

George Dean in that one married Elizabeth Dawson & Sarah Brotherton married Charles Smith

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1894
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
BROTHERTON Sarah E SMITH Charles Manchester, Gorton, All Saints Manchester 55/2/120

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1894
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
DEAN * George DAWSON Elizabeth A Manchester, Gorton, All Saints Manchester 55/2/119
DEAN * George SMITH Elizabeth A Manchester, Gorton, All Saints Manchester 55/2/119

on lan-opc there are these 2 baptisms (same father probably as same as fairly unusual occupation)

Baptisms: 3 Sep 1879 Stowell Memorial, Salford, Lancashire, England
Maude Dean - Child of George Dean & Elizabeth
Abode: 5 Oldfield Lane
Occupation: Hawker
Baptised by: W. Doyle
Register: Baptisms 1869 - 1898, Page 98, Entry 779
Source: LDS Film 2357994

Baptisms: 3 May 1882 St Clement, Salford, Lancashire, England
Grace Deane - Child of George Deane & Sarah Elizabeth
Born: 23 Apr 1882
Abode: 34 Croydon Street
Occupation: Hawker
Baptised by: C.V. Merriman
Register: Baptisms 1877 - 1884, Page 143, Entry 1137
Source: LDS Film 1786422

Taking Grace's mother as just Elizabeth gives this result on Lancs bmd

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1878
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
DEAN * George HUGHES Elizabeth Manchester, St. Philip Manchester 93/4/247
DEAN * George SNAPE Elizabeth Manchester, St. Philip Manchester 93/4/247

which fits with the Snape / Hughes marriage above

I am waiting for the scan of that Birth cert too !!

I DO wish he would come back!!!!!

I expect he is out keeping an eye on his children begging in the streets !!

Dea Xxx

On Page 1 he said the scan was done and ready to go.

C'mon Robert, I've got work to do (other than FH).

Oh well, it looks like we've "proved" she married Henry Snape, and then George Dean:

Marriages Sep 1878 (>99%)
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DEAN George Manchester 8d 337
HUNT Samuel Manchester 8d 337
SNAPE Elizabeth Manchester 8d 337
TURPHY Isabella Manchester 8d 337

The marriage to Henry Snape was also at St Philips.

Just looked at William Hughes born @ 1816 and Phoebe Hughes
on 1881 census it gives 42,Brighton Street Ordsall Salford on the transcribed entry.The district should be 66>37

When you click on original view it is Croydon street but the Hughes family doesn't show on it.

Wasn't the address on Grace Deans birth Croydon Street.

Maryb

That Henry Snape one was the one I had my eye on Meg. I couldn't find him in 1871 or a death before then but I didn't know about the prison thing. There are quite a few Henry Snape deaths to pick from now but there are a couple in Preston that look promising -

Both born c 1841 - one dies age 32 in 1873 and the other aged 43 in 1884. He would have been 10 years older than Sarah Elizabeth.

Good work on Hughes/Snape/Dean.

Sarah and George in 1881, for info

George Dean 26
Sarah Elizabeth Dean 30
Mary Elizabeth Dean 4
Maud Dean 1
Rebecca Dean

Since Sarah and George married in 1878, Mary might be a Snape, and Sarah was a proper widow when she partnered with George? Or ... she was estranged from Henry but the birth was registered in his name.

Births Dec 1876 ?
SNAPE Mary Elizabeth Salford 8d 35

No death for Henry Snape in the right area, 1875-1878. It would be nice to have his personal info from the marriage certificate. Get out the purse, Robert!

Since what Robert still really wants is Cyril in 1911, and just in case there's any chance we might find him ... can somebody reproduce the 1911 household with Grace and kids not including Cyril? Jones, it was? No ... I forget!


DORE GRACE 1884 27 Salford
DORE JOHN 1903 8 (he was John Edward)
DORE MARTHA WALKER 1909 2

and Cyril, the kid between John Edward Dore and Martha Walker (not Dore), was missing ...

was it

WOOD WILLIAM 1877 34
WRIGHT FLORENCE MABEL 1908 3
HOUSEHOLD WRIGHT JAMES 1898 13
HOUSEHOLD WRIGHT MARY E 1877 34

? Grace was a boarder ... ?

Right, I was doodling around trying to reconstruct the search from memory -- those are the details as posted by MC below -- just so we know where everybody was. Except Cyril.

This 1911?

WOOD, William Head Single M 34 1877 General Labourer Bricksetter's Blackwell Derbyshire
WRIGHT, Mary E Housekeeper Assistant Married 18 years F 34 1877 Lanc Salford
WRIGHT, James Boarder M 13 1898 School Lanc Salford
DORE, Grace Boarder Married 11 years F 27 1884 Charwoman Lanc Salford
DORE, John Boarder M 8 1903 School Alfreton Derbyshire
DORE, Martha Walker Boarder F 2 1909 Lanc Hulme
WRIGHT, Florence Mabel Boarder F 3 1908 Lanc Weaste

RG number: RG14 Piece: 24085 Reference: RG14PN24085 RG78PN1384 RD465 SD4 ED42 SN154

Registration District: Salford Sub District: Regent Road Enumeration District: 42 Parish: Pendleton

Address: 79 Ariel St Pendleton County: Lancashire

Can't find anything about what happened to Henry Snape but I have found that he was comitted on 25th May for Indecent Assaut on a girl under 12 at Heaton on 29th April, 1871.

He was aged 43 and a Cotton operative.

Dea x

Wasn't there a George as well who was also missing on 1911?


Births Dec 1906
Dore George Salford 8d 169

Dea x