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Sorry missed that. Mary Elizabeth Dean is not a Dean, but a Snape.

Who found that?

Sorry Meg - it was me. I just assumed that, as George Dean and Elizabeth Snape didn't marry until 1878, the birth for Mary Elizabeth would be this one -

Births Dec 1876
SNAPE Mary Elizabeth Salford 8d 35

On reflection though, we think that Henry Snape probably died in 1875 in Prestwich don't we? The death for Henry Snape in June 1878 in Preston that we first favoured gave a different fathers name to the one on the marriage cert.

p.s. There isn't really a birth that fits for a Mary Elizabeth Dean that would make her 4 in 1881 either.

Chrissie,

Dore, Grace Death Barton upon Irwell Salford 10b 384. BMD

Robby xx

Hey all, look at what i found......

http://www.andrewspages.dial.pipex.com/dby/kelly/sandiacre.htm

pop over and read the ' private residents ' bit and you will see a William Doar and an Abraham Charles Doar.

Hmm wonder if related??

Robxx

1891 - Abraham Doar is living in Church Street - next door to Alfred Large the Schoolmaster mentioned in the above link.

Name: Abraham C Doar
Age: 41
Estimated birth year: abt 1850
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Sarah Doar
Gender: Male
Where born: Sandiacre, Derbyshire, England

Civil Parish: Sandiacre
Ecclesiastical parish: Sandiacre
Town: Sandiacre
County/Island: Derbyshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Shardlow
Sub-registration district: Stapleford
ED, institution, or vessel: 16a
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Abraham C Doar 41 Cashier
Sarah Doar 36
Ethel Doar 4
William K Doar 9
Charles E Doar 1
Elsie Knieling 18 Servant
Jane Powers 12 Servant

Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 2724; Folio 142; Page 9; GSU roll: 6097834


1881 - with his first wife?

Name: Abraham C. Doar
Age: 31
Estimated birth year: abt 1850
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Alice Doar
Gender: Male
Where born: Sandiacre, Derbyshire, England

Civil Parish: Sandiacre
County/Island: Derbyshire
Country: England

Street address: Church St
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status: View image
Occupation: Commercial Clerk (Coal & Iron)

Registration district: Shardlow
Sub-registration district: Stapleford
ED, institution, or vessel: 16
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Abraham C. Doar 31
Alice Doar 25
Ethel M. Doar 1
Daykin 18 Servant

Source Citation: Class: RG11; Piece: 3390; Folio: 118; Page: 14; GSU roll: 1341810.

1871 - with his parents (perhaps his father is the William mentioned in the Directory?

Name: Abraham Charles Doar
Age: 21
Estimated birth year: abt 1850
Relation: Son
Father's name: William Doar
Mother's name: Mary Ann Doar
Gender: Male
Where born: Sandiacre, Derbyshire, England
Civil Parish: Sandiacre
Town: Sandiacre
County/Island: Derbyshire
Country: England
Registration district: Shardlow
Sub-registration district: Stapleford
ED, institution, or vessel: 12
Household schedule number: 190
Household Members: Name Age
William Doar 56 Gazier??
Mary Ann Doar 55
Sarah Ann Doar 29
Mary Eliza Doar 27
Abraham Charles Doar 21
Ruth Matilda Doar 17
Authur Edwd Doar 14

Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 3556; Folio: 17; Page: 27; GSU roll: 839764


The family are living in Town Street but on the same page there is a Samuel Doar and his family living in - wait for it - Doar's Yard.

Didn't you have a Luke Doar - suspect that all those Doars with biblical names in Sandiacre are related!

Hi Rob
Grace did marry Baxter didn't she? I wonder why she was Grace Dore at her death?

I would LOVE to know why they got a road named after them !!

1851 - Abraham (says Abraham C on the actual page)

Name: Abraham E Doar
Age: 1
Estimated birth year: abt 1850
Relation: Son
Father's name: William Doar
Mother's name: Mary Ann Doar
Gender: M (Male)
Where born: Sandiacre, Derbyshire, England

Civil Parish: Sandiacre
County/Island: Derbyshire
Country: England

Registration district: Shardlow
Sub-registration district: Stapleford
ED, institution, or vessel: 7b and 8b
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 104
Household Members: Name Age
William Doar 35
Mary Ann Doar 35
Urban W Doar 12
Sarah A Doar 9
Mary E Doar 7
John F Doar 4
Abraham E Doar 1

Living at 104 Doar's Row

1851 - Luke Doar with parents -

Name: Luke Doar
Age: 14
Estimated birth year: abt 1837
Relation: Son
Father's name: George Doar
Mother's name: Sarah Doar
Gender: M (Male)
Where born: Sandiacre, Derbyshire, England

Civil Parish: Sandiacre
County/Island: Derbyshire
Country: England


Registration district: Shardlow
Sub-registration district: Stapleford
ED, institution, or vessel: 7a and 8a
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 61
Household Members: Name Age
George Doar 39
Sarah Doar 37
Luke Doar 14
Ann Doar 12
Mary Doar 8
Margarett Doar 5
Thomas Doar 6 MO

Well blow me down with a feather:) I think it's ok to post this link as it says 'Permission granted for personal family history use only' (which is what this is). Scroll down to page 57. Under Luke, you will see that George Rocotti Doar is listed as married to Grace Seal born 1880 in Lanes Salford!! So no wiser than we were lol:)

http://www.beresford.org.au/history/images/WilliamDoarNarr.pdf

Chrissie,

Yes Grace did marry Joseph F Baxter in 1937. Ref: 8d 372 Free bdm.

There is a district in Sheffield called Dore :)

Can't remember now but was there a marriage to Henry Snape and Grace?

Michelle has George Doar ( 1819-1893) with his father as being Richard Doar ( 1791-1831) with Margaret Basdale (1785-1842) as Richards wife, both born in Nottingham. And married in Notts. Can you conform? Ta love

Roby xx

Married in Notts LOLOL

Tied the knot hahahrr.............

Do you think there's a connection with those two families anyone...Abraham, George.... Luke ??

They lived in the same area and I'd guess that Sandiachre wasn't that developed in those days huh? So it wouldn't be a massive town more like a tight knit community I'd think....Poss all one family?

Roby xx

check this out ....

http://www.beresford.org.au/history/gen/tree/3268.htm

http://www.beresford.net.au/PHPGDV/descendancy.php?show_full=1&pid=I2447&box_width=100&chart_style=1&generations=4

Wowweeeee

Sarah Elizabeth Hughes married (1869) Henry Snape (the rotter) before she married (1878) George Dean as Sarah Elizabeth Snape.

Got to go shopping now but I may be on to something really exciting - a living relative no less. Frustrating as I wanted to carry on but hubby insists that we need to eat (he's not into ketchup butties:)

My problem is that I need help with 1911 census please someone.
I'm trying to find the Ernest Doar who was born in SHARDLOW in 1904. There is only one coming up but I think he may be the one born Basford. I have that family but I can't find the other Ernest. HELP please.

Births Jun 1904
Doar Ernest Basford 7b 218

Births Sep 1904
DOAR Ernest Shardlow 7b 580

and this...

http://www.beresford.org.au/history/History.htm

This is the maim home page


COOOOL

Robxx

That site is great isn't it Rob :) Are there any of yours in those photos? I couldn't remember.

Why do you think Grace died as Grace Dore and not Grace Baxter?

Do you think she may of divorced Joseph and went back to her Dore name.
although i would have thought she would take her maiden name of Dean .....hmm pondering ..

Robxx

I am dizzy with it all. Will return tomorrow.

What a FANTASTIC find Rob !!!

That is going to keep you busy from now on! - You DO know that you will have to 'check out' every little bit before you add it to your tree just to make sure it is accurate - (tee hee) !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Well done,

Dea x

this says Ernest Doar on the original - born Sandiacre

1911

DOUS, Ernest Patient M 6 1905 Derbyshire Sandiner VIEW

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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
20853 Reference:
RG14PN20853 RD434 SD5 ED3 SN257

Registration District:
Shardlow Sub District:
Spondon Enumeration District:
3 Parish:
Draycott and Church Wilne

Address:
Institution: The Matron Isolation Hospital,
Draycott County:
Derbyshire

Thank you Choccy, that's great. I'm sure it's him.
On the minus side I wanted to know who his parents were and I had run off a list of Doars' in Shardlow. There are too many possible parents to guess which are his.

Not to worry, on reflection this is probably a non starter anyway. The Doar I found living in Sandiacre doesn't appear to have had any children of his own, just step children. There are a couple living in Ilkeston - I may try following them back lol:))

Chrissie, is that Ernest Doar one of my rellies?

Dea, Does that mean MORE certs?? Oooh those poor kids, no more ketchup....and ....and my poor Rottie Chester....well...he's going to have to give up his 20 ounce rump steaks now, he's not going to be a happy dog AT all!!

I suppose I'm going to have to get Luke Doar's birth and marriage cert. Arn't I??

Meg,don't be so nesh :)) Did you have a looky looky at that web site?

God the cost is going to cripple me....Sob!

Poor Robxx