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Cyril Dore'

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Christine2 Report 16 Jan 2011 17:50

The Henry Snape who was comitted would have been about 23 years older than Sarah Elizabeth wouldn't he?


jax Report 16 Jan 2011 17:53

This one Dea

1901 census - household transcription
Person: DORE, George
Address: 15, New Cambridge Street, Salford


DORE, George Head Married M 24 1877 Brickmaker
Derbyshire VIEW
DORE, Grace Wife Married F 20 1881 Toffy Maker In Works
Lancashire VIEW
DORE, George Son M 0 (4 MOS) 1901
Lancashire VIEW
SEAL, John Boarder Father In Law Widower M 88 1813 Retired Knocker Up
Worcestershire VIEW


Dea Report 16 Jan 2011 17:58

Yep - Ja...x - that's what started this all off !!!

I still think it is more likely, given his age, that he is a 'grand-father-in-law'
BUT No-one has been able to tie down the 'Seal' connection !!

Dea Xxx


JaneyCanuck Report 16 Jan 2011 18:06

I think John Seal was probably a plain old lodger, presumed by a census worker to be related. There's just no remote connection between Seal and Dore, Dean, Snape, Hughes ...

Unless, now that we have the new names Snape and Hughes, somebody wants to try finding one of his daughters married to one of them. ;)


rootgatherer Report 16 Jan 2011 19:33

I do hope you had taken a printout before it all went Robert.

You just have to add as much humour to this thread as you did to the last! The entertainment was good! The research too of course.


Madmeg Report 16 Jan 2011 20:28

I already said that Henry Snape was committed for attempting whatever with a young girl.

Can I go and have my dinner?

Back later.


Dea Report 16 Jan 2011 20:41

Just got the cert -It says late Snape, formerly Hughes !!!

Enjoy your dinner MM

Dea Xxx


Robert Report 16 Jan 2011 20:56

Well done all, yes it looks like 'LATE SNAPE' on the cert. I've posted it to Dea and Margaret for verification but Margaret's came back undelivered so tried again, Chris your next baby just hang a sec. The scruffy little tykes are banging on the front door with the penny for the guy ( oooh, is it January already, I told them not to take the Guy !! ) Just going to confiscate the proceeds!!

Hope that Henry Snape is no relation, he should have been hanged by the .......!!

Right Chris here goes, it's coming through as a JPEG Image file

Rob xx


Christine2 Report 16 Jan 2011 21:02

There are a couple of possible Seal marrying Hughes in Chorlton but havn't got time to follow them through at the moment.

Marriages Mar 1879
**** Hughes Ann Chorlton 8c 687
**** Seal John Chorlton 8c 687
THOMAS Mary Ann Chorlton 8c 687
WOOD Abel Chorlton 8c 687

Marriages Mar 1887
DEARDEN Alice Chorlton 8c 843
**** Hughes Mary Elizabeth Chorlton 8c 843
Jordan William Chorlton 8c 843
**** Seal William Garrick Chorlton 8c 843


Robert Report 16 Jan 2011 21:16

FOOTBALL?? Nooo..hoho!!

i have much more fun with you guys. i used to like football when they played for the game not £10000 per kick.

That was the original Man United, ( sorry girls ).

Besides have you seen how much it costs for a ticket these days, PLUS i'm running out of stuff to pawn!!



Madmeg Report 16 Jan 2011 21:20

Had my dinner, stuffed. I've tried finding marriages for John Seal's kids, and nothing sensible comes up - but not giivng in entirely yet.

Any sign of that scan from Robert?

Dea, my record of Henry Snape's misdemeanour didn't give an age - where is yours from?


Robert Report 16 Jan 2011 21:36

Margaret did you not get a copy flower?

Sent one e-mail to you chuck

Rob xx


Robert Report 16 Jan 2011 21:48

Bit of a RUM woman 'ol Grace .....Dore, Hughes, Snape Baxter Dore!!

Bet half of Salford was populated with her off spring!!

One other thing I was wondering.....

On my tree I have got as far back as Richard Dore ( 1695-1752 ) born Sandiachre. Died Sandiachre.

Married Elizabeth Lymb ( 1692-? ) born Nottingham ( Strelly ) Died Sandiachre.
Married on 11/2/1716 in Nottingham

Is there a way of going further back..... like early 1600's maybe further hmmm


Madmeg Report 16 Jan 2011 21:49

Dea, where did you find that Henry Snape was 43? Little Sarah Elizabeth was just 18, poor child.

Sorry to say Robbie, but you've got to sell the telly and get this marriage cert:

Marriages Sep 1878 (>99%)

DEAN George Manchester 8d 337
SNAPE Elizabeth Manchester 8d 337

I'm not at all happy about the Dean families found so far, with no definite Sarah Elizabeth in 1861. We can surmise that was her in 1851, but that is all it is - surmisation. But there are other Sarah E Deans, OOPS HUGHES, born rather earlier than 1851, and she could have lied about her age, being older than George.

Anybody think I am wrong?

Don't see any alternative really.

Robert, there's a soup kitchen down the end of Market Street, just past M&S, before you get to the Salford Bridge. A mate of mine hands out blankets there - if you get the blue cellular one, it is from me.


JaneyCanuck Report 16 Jan 2011 22:08

Well I would never say you're wrong. I just think I'm right. Snork.

Sarah in 1891:
Name: Sarah E Deane
Age: 39
Estimated birth year: abt 1852
Where born: Salford, Lancashire, England

Births Mar 1851
HUGHES Sarah Elizabeth Salford 20 1008

Sarah in 1851:
Name: Sarah E Hughes
Age: 2/12
Estimated birth year: abt 1851
Relation: Daughter
Father's name: William Hughes
Mother's name: Mary Hughes

Hughes-Snape certificate will tell!

Oh -- Snape-Dean certificate?

Yeah. Both.


JaneyCanuck Report 16 Jan 2011 22:27

Hi val1963 -- that tree was talked about at length on Robert's original thread!

Christine2 has been in touch with the tree owner about all the pics and records about John Edward Dore. I don't know whether she's figured out whether the tree owner actually knows anything about Cyril or not -- ? and I think the info about John Seal is just lifted from that 1901 census, with nothing more to back it up.


SylviaInCanada Report 16 Jan 2011 22:29

from lancs bmd

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1878

SNAPE * Elizabeth DEAN George Manchester, St. Philip Manchester 93/4/247

* means something to check on that site .............. Elizabeth also under Hughes:-

Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
DEAN George HUGHES Elizabeth Manchester, St. Philip Manchester 93/4/247
DEAN George SNAPE Elizabeth Manchester, St. Philip Manchester 93/4/247
HUGHES Elizabeth DEAN George Manchester, St. Philip Manchester 93/4/247
SNAPE Elizabeth DEAN George Manchester, St. Philip Manchester 93/4/247



val1963 Report 16 Jan 2011 22:32


Thanks for letting me know

I will delete my message



SylviaInCanada Report 16 Jan 2011 22:43


scroll down to Europe

scroll down to England, Lancashire – Cheshire – Yorkshire Parish Registers, 1603-199222

click on Lancashire

August 19 1878
St Philip Manchester

George Dean
Age 24
Address:- 27 Iron Street
Father:- George Dean, Hawker

Sarah Snape
Age 27
no occupation shown
Address:- 5 Shooter St
Father:- William Hughes, Cutter (or ???Cutler)

Witnesses:- George Madeley and Ann Bainers (her mark)

sorry if this has been found earlier



Madmeg Report 16 Jan 2011 22:53

Who, me, wrong? Never, unless I admit it!!!

I was trying to recallt the 5 children that Grace had on the 1911 census (all living), and I can only recall 4 from the previous post:

Cyril, Belper 1904
George, Salford 1900/01
John Edward, Belper 1903
Martha Walker, Salford 1909.

There's another.
Who was the fifith? Anyone remember? Robert?