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George Adams 1860 and Florence Adams 1882

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Stewart

Stewart Report 16 Jan 2011 16:12

George Adams born cir 1860 in West Bromwich, possibly married Mary Cox. daughter Florence Adams born cir 1882 married John Thomas Roberts in 1903 in West Bromwich. Roberts and Adams buried in South Yorkshire

Mark

Mark Report 16 Jan 2011 16:17

Hi Stewart.. What is it you would like to know

AnnCardiff

AnnCardiff Report 16 Jan 2011 16:51

George F. Adams

England and Wales Census, 1881
birth: 1861 — West Bromwich, Stafford, England
residence: West Bromwich, Stafford, England
parents: Charles Adams

record title: England and Wales Census, 1881
name: George F. Adams
age: 20
gender: Male
birth year: 1861
birthplace: West Bromwich, Stafford, England
relationship to head of household: Son
marital condition: Unknown
profession / occupation: Colliery Clerk
address: 43 Carters Green
census place: West Bromwich, Stafford, England
record type: Household
family history library film: 1341683
the national archives reference: RG11
piece / folio: 2850 / 6
page number

AnnCardiff

AnnCardiff Report 16 Jan 2011 16:52

Florence Adams

England and Wales Census, 1881
birth: 1873 — West Bromwich, Stafford, England
residence: West Bromwich, Stafford, England

record title: England and Wales Census, 1881
name: Florence Adams
age: 8
gender: Female
birth year: 1873
birthplace: West Bromwich, Stafford, England
relationship to head of household: Daur
address: 7 Cape St Hucksters Shop
census place: West Bromwich, Stafford, England
record type: Household
family history library film: 1341682
the national archives reference: RG11
piece / folio: 2847 / 88
page number:

AnnCardiff

AnnCardiff Report 16 Jan 2011 16:52

George F. Adams

England and Wales Census, 1881
birth: 1861 — West Bromwich, Stafford, England
residence: West Bromwich, Stafford, England
parents: Charles Adams

record title: England and Wales Census, 1881
name: George F. Adams
age: 20
gender: Male
birth year: 1861
birthplace: West Bromwich, Stafford, England
relationship to head of household: Son
marital condition: Unknown
profession / occupation: Colliery Clerk
address: 43 Carters Green
census place: West Bromwich, Stafford, England
record type: Household
family history library film: 1341683
the national archives reference: RG11
piece / folio: 2850 / 6
page number:

AnnCardiff

AnnCardiff Report 16 Jan 2011 16:53

Mary Ann Cox

England and Wales Census, 1881
birth: 1861 — Westbromwich, Stafford, England
residence: West Bromwich, Stafford, England
parents: William Cox

record title: England and Wales Census, 1881
name: Mary Ann Cox
age: 20
gender: Female
birth year: 1861
birthplace: Westbromwich, Stafford, England
relationship to head of household: Daur
marital condition: Unknown
profession / occupation: Brick Moulder
address: No 126 Pike Helve
census place: West Bromwich, Stafford, England
record type: Household
family history library film: 1341683
the national archives reference: RG11
piece / folio: 2848 / 125
page number:

AnnCardiff

AnnCardiff Report 16 Jan 2011 16:54

John Roberts

England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
residence: West Bromwich, Stafford, England
parents: Daniel Roberts, Harriet

record title: England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
name: John Roberts
gender: Male
baptism/christening date: 27 Apr 1870
baptism/christening place: St. Peters, West Bromwich, Stafford, England
father's name: Daniel Roberts
mother's name: Harriet
indexing project (batch) number: C16753-1
system origin: England-EASy
source film number:

AnnCardiff

AnnCardiff Report 16 Jan 2011 16:57

John Henry Roberts

England Marriages, 1538–1973
birth: 1868
parents: John Henry Roberts
spouse: Florence Mary Hirons
marriage: 24 Dec 1893 — West Bromwich, Stafford, Eng.

record title: England Marriages, 1538–1973
groom's name: John Henry Roberts
groom's birth date: 1868
groom's age: 25
bride's name: Florence Mary Hirons
bride's birth date: 1868
bride's age: 25
marriage date: 24 Dec 1893
marriage place: West Bromwich, Stafford, Eng.
groom's father's name: John Henry Roberts
bride's father's name: Henry Hirons
indexing project (batch) number: M05521-3
system origin: England-VR
source film number: 1526219

Stewart

Stewart Report 16 Jan 2011 21:34

ANN OF GREEN GABLES
Thanks for that information.
I feel sure that Florence would have been born 1882 or 1883
MARK
From the marriage certificate I have managed to find (thought it was lost)
John and Florence were married in 1903, John was 24 and Florence was 20. John's father was called John, he was deceased and last occupation was a miner, lived at Stockingford. Florences's father was called George who was an axle turner who lived at 16 Portway Road (possibly in Wednesbury or West Bromwich).
There are 2 witnesses - George Adams and Amy Maria Adams.
I want to find what I can about the parents of John and Florence

Stewart

Stewart Report 16 Jan 2011 21:36

ANN
Sorry I coudn't give you that information earlier but have been rooting around for the marriage certificate and have finally found it.

Kucinta

Kucinta Report 16 Jan 2011 21:44

Census 1891???:

Name: Florence Adams
Age: 8
Estimated birth year: abt 1883
Relation: Daughter
Father's name: George Adams
Mother's name: Amy Maria Adams
Gender: Female
Where born: Wednesbury, Staffordshire, England

Civil Parish: Wednesbury
Ecclesiastical parish: St James
County/Island: Staffordshire
Registration district: West Bromwich
Sub-registration district: Wednesbury

Household Members: Name Age

>>>George Adams 31 RAILWAY AXLE TURNER c1860 Hilltop, Staffordshire, England.
Amy Maria Adams 30 c1861 King Hill, Staffordshire, England.
Maria Adams 10
>>>Florence Adams 8 c1883 Wednesbury, Staffordshire, England.
Mary Eliza Adams 5


Looks like Amy Maria Adams, witness at the wedding, was Florence's mother.

EDIT: Turns out she was Florence's sister.

Kucinta

Kucinta Report 16 Jan 2011 21:56

In 1911 Wife is down as Mary?

ADAMS, George Head Married M 52 1859 Axle Turner West Bomich Staffs
ADAMS, Mary Mother Married 33 years F 52 1859 Darlaston Staffs
ADAMS, William E Son Single M 19 1892 Labourer Wednesbury Staffs
HOLDEN, Benjamin Son In Law Married M 25 1886 Labourer Darlaston Staffs
HOLDEN, Mary Daughter Married 3 years F 24 1887 Wednesbury Staffs
HOLDEN, Sidney Gransdon M 2 1909 Wednesbury Staffs

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Registration District:
West Bromwich Sub District:
Wednesbury Enumeration District:
10 Parish:
Wednesbury

Address:
2 Oakeswell Street Wednesbury County:
Staffordshire


Five children born of the marriage, one deceased by census 1911.

Kucinta

Kucinta Report 16 Jan 2011 22:02

Maybe Amy Maria is the daughter ? Amy on this census 1901 is same age as daughter Maria on census 1891 I posted earlier would be:

Needless to say on actual image wife 'Gary' is Mary.

Census 1901:

Name: George Adams
Age: 41
Estimated birth year: abt 1860
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Gary Adams [Mary]
Gender: Male
Where born: West Bromwich, Staffordshire, England

Civil Parish: Wednesbury
Ecclesiastical parish: St James
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England

Registration district: West Bromwich
Sub-registration district: Wednesbury
ED, institution, or vessel: 5

Household Members: Name Age

George Adams 41 axle turner
Gary Adams 40 [Mary]
Amy Adams 21
Florie Adams 18
Mary Adams 15
William Adams 9

Kucinta

Kucinta Report 16 Jan 2011 22:06

So looks like George's possible marriage with Mary Cox is probably correct; no idea why Mary turns into Amy Maria in 1891, but daughter Maria in 1891 turns into Amy in 1901, and probably into Amy Maria in time to be a witness at the wedding of sister Florence/Florrie.

Birth: Adams Amy Maria W. Bromwich 6b 850 MAR 1880.

Kucinta

Kucinta Report 16 Jan 2011 22:15

Marriages Jun 1879 (>99%)
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ADAMS George W.Bromwich 6b 919
Cox Mary W. Bromwich 6b 919

Kucinta

Kucinta Report 16 Jan 2011 22:17

George Adams in 1861?:

Name: George Adams
Age: 1
Estimated birth year: abt 1860
Relation: Son
Father's name: George Adams
Mother's name: Maria Adams
Gender: Male
Where born: West Bromwich, Staffordshire, England

Civil Parish: West Bromwich
Ecclesiastical parish: St James
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England


Registration district: West Bromwich
Sub-registration district: West Bromwich North East

Household Members: Name Age

George Adams 29 c1832 West Bromwich, Staffordshire, England.
Maria Adams 29 c1832 Madeley, Shropshire, England.
William Adams 8 c1853 Bilston, Staffordshire, England.
Samuel Adams 6 c1855 West Bromwich, Staffordshire, England.
Maryann Adams 4 c1857 West Bromwich, Staffordshire, England.
>>>George Adams 1 c1860 West Bromwich, Staffordshire, England
Sarah Williams 13 servant.

George senior's occupation very hard to read, could be stock taker.

Kucinta

Kucinta Report 16 Jan 2011 22:25

The family in census 1871:

Note - George has a little sister called Amy Maria here - is she the namesake for his daughter, Florence's sister?

Name: George Adams
Age: 11
Estimated birth year: abt 1860
Relation: Son
Mother's name: Maria Adams
Gender: Male
Where born: West Bromwich, Staffordshire, England

Civil Parish: Wednesbury
Ecclesiastical parish: St John
Town: Wednesbury
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England

Registration district: West Bromwich
Sub-registration district: Wednesbury

Household Members: Name Age
Maria Adams 37
Samuel Adams 16 faggoter.
Mary Ann Adams 14
>>>George Adams 11
Lizzie Adams 7
Henry Adams 5
Amy Maria Adams 3
Thomas Harley Adams 6 Months

Maria is now head of family, widowed, annuitant.

Stewart

Stewart Report 17 Jan 2011 11:26

KUCINTA
Thank you very much for all that information.
Thanks everybody else for your replies.
Stewart
I've given up on the Roberts side of the family because there is so little information to go on and Roberts is such a common name.

Kucinta

Kucinta Report 17 Jan 2011 13:11

Given the name of widowed Maria's last child in 1871

Thomas Harley Adams 6 months

Could this be Maria and George senior's marriage?

Marriages Jun 1851 (>99%)
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>>Adams George W Bromwich 18 744
Ancocks John W. Bromwich 18 744
Bagnall Thomas Wt Bromwich 18 744
BRADLEY Mary Ann W Bromwich 18 744
>>Harley Maria Wt Bromwich 18 744
Johnson Hannah W Bromwich 18 744
Morris John West Bromwich 18 744
Tomkys Catharine W Bromwich 18 744

Kucinta

Kucinta Report 17 Jan 2011 13:31

Florence in 1911:

4 children born, all still living.
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ROBERTS, John Thomas Head Married 8 years M 33 1878 Coal Miner Getter Dudley Worcestershire
ROBERTS, Florence Wife Married F 28 1883 Wednesbury Staffordshire
ROBERTS, Florence Daughter F 6 1905 Warks Stockingford
ROBERTS, William Edward Son M 5 1906 Warks Stockingford
ROBERTS, George Henry Son M 3 1908 Warks Stockingford
ROBERTS, Eliza Daughter F 0 (4 MONTHS) 1911 Warks Stockingford
CARTRIGHT, Lizzie Boarder Single F 28 1883 Brick Yard Presser Warks Stockingford

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Address:
27 Haunchwood Road Nuneaton County:
Warwickshire