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dutch

dutch Report 27 Jan 2011 10:46

For years i have been trying to get birth cert of my g,mother without any luck,on the 1871 census it looks like she was born in Hepworth Lincolnshire along with her two sisters ,but for some reason the grandfather took them to Salford to live now on the 1901 census its got she was born in Manchester but she was only 2yrs old then so i dont think she would no,i have her marriage cert death cert but no birth cert ,can anyone help me on this name is spelt different and her middle name of Mary is missing
name and age in 1871
Ada bassendale age 2 Hepworth Lincolnshire England Grandaughter Salford
Elizabeth bassendale age 8-same as above
Louisa bassendale age 11-same as above
William Bassendale 69 Hepworth ,head Salford Lans
Maggie Cifone 32 Hepworth,Vistor Salford
did get birth cert but was wrong one
Ada Mary Bassindale married Samuel Mellor both were 24yrs old in Walton on the hill,it was 1893 when they married

her father is down as John Bassindale decceased and occ Liceuised Vichualler
thank you for any help given

Flick

Flick Report 27 Jan 2011 11:05

Until 1875, there were no penalties for not registering births, so you may have to accept that her birth simply wasn't registered.

Your best bet would be look for her baptism

LadyKira

LadyKira Report 27 Jan 2011 11:08

i have them.

1911 census - household transcription
Person: MELLOR, Samuel
Address: 10 Claudia St Walton Liverpool

MELLOR, Samuel Head Married M 40 1871 Dock Labourer Lancs Bootle
MELLOR, Ada Mary Wife Married F 40 1871 Lancs Manchester
MELLOR, Jose Rathbone Son Single M 16 1895 Shop Assistant General Lancs Bootle
MELLOR, Alice Daughter F 9 1902 Lancs Walton Liverpool VIEW
MELLOR, Mary Elizabeth Daughter F 7 1904 Lancs Walton Liverpool
MELLOR, Edith Daughter F 5 1906 Lancs Walton Liverpool VIEW
MELLOR, Ada Daughter F 3 1908 Lancs Walton Liverpool

Flick

Flick Report 27 Jan 2011 11:12

1861?

Name: Louisa Baxendale
[Louisa Bassindale]
Age: 4
Estimated birth year: abt 1857
Relation: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: Belton, Lincolnshire, England

Civil Parish: Belton
County/Island: Lincolnshire
Country: England

Registration district: Thorne
Sub-registration district: Epworth *************
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 45
Household Members: Name Age
Robert Rigby 44
Ann Baxendale 28 ******************Unmarried
Louisa Baxendale 4
John Bassindale 2 MO
Mary Marphett 17


NOTE; Location is EPWORTH....not Hepworth

Kay????

Kay???? Report 27 Jan 2011 11:15

Hi Dutch


I wonder if why you cant find a birth in Lincolnshire registration is that---

Hepworth is -- West Yorkshire, nr Holmfirth.

Epworth is in Isle of Axholme,,Scunthorpe Lincs district.

Flick

Flick Report 27 Jan 2011 11:17

What leads you to think that Ada on 1871 is the person who married in 1893?

What was her declared age on the marriage cert?

Who witnessed the marriage?

LadyKira

LadyKira Report 27 Jan 2011 11:22

so this is the 1871

1871 census - household transcription
Person: BASSENDALE, Ada
Address: Worsley Street, Salford
BASSENDALE, William Head M 69 1802 Lincolnshire
BASSENDALE, Louisa Granddaughter F 11 1860 Lincolnshire
BASSENDALE, Elizabeth Granddaughter F 8 1863 Lincolnshire
BASSENDALE, Ada Granddaughter F 2 1869 Lincolnshire
COPUR, Maggie Visitor F 32 1839 Lincolnshire


Are the sisters correct i e do you know of them in the family?

dutch

dutch Report 27 Jan 2011 12:02

The 1911 family is mine Ada was my Mum ,not sure Flick when i tried to find her dad and found nearly all the Bassindales came from the Lincolnshire area ,they were both 24 when they married and the wittness were
William Spenser and Mary Jane Bunfield
LadyKira not sure about them in the family just my mum said she had sisters but now there is no family left to ask,forgot to add the Liverpool one s are mine on 1911

LadyKira

LadyKira Report 27 Jan 2011 12:43

so if we start from 1911 info and work backwards as that is what you know to be true.

LadyKira

LadyKira Report 27 Jan 2011 12:45

1901 census - household transcription
Person: MELLOR, Samuel
Address: 41, Buchanan Road, Walton On The Hill, Liverpool
MELLOR, Samuel Head Married M 31 1870 Dock Labourer
Bootle
Lancashire
MELLOR, Ada Mary Wife Married F 31 1870
Manchester
Lancashire
MELLOR, Ada May Daughter F 4 1897
Walton
Lancashire
MELLOR, Jose Rathbone Son M 6 1895
Bootle
Lancashire

LadyKira

LadyKira Report 27 Jan 2011 13:05

worth considering
1881
Name: Mary Baxendale
Age: 12
Estimated birth year: abt 1869
Relation: Daughter
Father's name: John Baxendale
Mother's name: Margaret Baxendale
Gender: Female
Where born: England
Civil Parish: Manchester
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street address: 16 Branson St
Registration district: Manchester
Sub-registration district: Ancoats
ED, institution, or vessel: 41
John Baxendale 34
Margaret Baxendale 29
Jeremiah Baxendale 14
Mary Baxendale 12 <<<<<<<<
George Baxendale
John Baxendale
William Dooley 24
W. Hellier 21

dutch

dutch Report 27 Jan 2011 13:07

yes that is true i have all the certs of the children right down to my mum Ada who was born in 1908

dutch

dutch Report 27 Jan 2011 13:14

could well be if John was dead before 1893 then it could be possabilty that it may be her family

LadyKira

LadyKira Report 27 Jan 2011 13:16

the john above is a carter

dutch

dutch Report 27 Jan 2011 13:26

On the marriage cert he is Liceused Vickualler cant read the writing very well

LadyKira

LadyKira Report 27 Jan 2011 14:25


i have tried looking for marriages for female bassendale father john but not found anything


this ada is born at the right time in bolton

Births Mar 1870 (>99%)
BAXENDALE Ada Bolton 8c 392

and there is this marriage same place

Marriages Dec 1868 (>99%)
Baxendale John Bolton 8c 432
HOLDEN Elizabeth Bolton 8c 432
LOMAX Mary Bolton 8c 432
Taylor Thomas Bolton 8c 432

worth a look?

lancashireAnn

lancashireAnn Report 27 Jan 2011 15:01

what was Samuel's father's name and occ on his marriage cert to Ada please

Ada's was John, a licenced victually - have you tried trade directories?

What was their address when they married

I can't find either of them in 1881 & wonder if maybe the area where they were living has been lost

Flick

Flick Report 27 Jan 2011 15:18

I've looked on 1901 for John Bass*, Licensed Victualler, with no results

I can't see Ada in 1891...anywhere

Flick

Flick Report 27 Jan 2011 15:36

1881 for the family I posted in 1861...........

Name: John R. Bassindale
Age: 20
Estimated birth year: abt 1861
Relation: Son
Mother's name: Ann Bassindale
Gender: Male
Where born: Belton, Lincoln, England

Civil Parish: Belton
County/Island: Lincolnshire
Country: England

Street address: Carr House

Registration district: Thorne
Sub-registration district: Epworth
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Ann Bassindale 47
John R. Bassindale 20
Elizabeth Bassindale 15
Herbert Bassindale 13
Clara Bassindale 11
Demarus Bassindale 9
Gertrude Bassindale 6

And 1871...........so not Ada's family

Name: John Robt Bassinale
[John Robt Bassindale]
Age: 10
Estimated birth year: abt 1861
Relation: Son
Father's name: Robt Rigby
Gender: Male
Where born: Belton, Lincolnshire, England
Civil Parish: Belton
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Registration district: Thorne
Sub-registration district: Epworth
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Household schedule number: 16
Household Members: Name Age
Robt Rigby 58
Ann Bassinale 37
Louesa Bassinale 14
John Robt Bassinale 10
William Bassinale 7
Elizh Bassinale 5
Herbert Bassinale 2
Clara Bassinale 5 Months

dutch

dutch Report 27 Jan 2011 16:00

Samuels father was named Samuel and he was railway porter
the address on the cert is
92 Olivia street Bootle ,it was the same address for Ada as well
thank you Flick so we can rule that one out
were to i go to have alook at trade please