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LadyKira

LadyKira Report 28 Jan 2011 10:16

Kay???

I cannot see a Lincolnshire connection.In 1901 and 1911 she is born Lancashire.

Kay????

Kay???? Report 28 Jan 2011 11:57

LK.

I know..was just explaing to Dutch that there are no Ada baptisms shows in Lincolnshire with father as John.~~}so any Lincs connections to Ada may only be by a relative.

lancashireAnn

lancashireAnn Report 28 Jan 2011 13:22

try this

translate.google.com/

dutch

dutch Report 28 Jan 2011 15:10

thank you will try that

dutch

dutch Report 28 Jan 2011 15:28

I got this marriage cert a while back as i thought it might be my grandmothers sister but could,nt find out anything this is whats on it
3rd july 1890 Fredreick Bottcher age 37 widower,sailor,Lear road
father William Bottcher ,occ Farmer
Elizabeth Bassindale age 27 ,spinster,Lear road
Farther Robert Bassindale,occ farmer
wittness John Donerghue
William Cottrell
All Saints Church
Parish of West Derby
on the birth cert i got for Ada Robert Bassindale was her father but in Thorne Epworth County of Lincoln
she was born 21st Feb 1865 Wroot
mothers name Emma bassindale formerly Williamson
what do you make of this and he was farmer?

dutch

dutch Report 28 Jan 2011 15:29

Will be back on in while have to go out

lancashireAnn

lancashireAnn Report 28 Jan 2011 15:43

I think this is more likely to be the Robert on the West Derby marriage

Baptisms: 28 Jul 1872 Stowell Memorial, Salford, Lancashire, England
Ada Mary Bassindale - Child of Robert Bassindale & Caroline
Abode: 231 Cross Lane
Occupation: Farmer
Baptised by: W. Doyle
Register: Baptisms 1869 - 1898, Page 18, Entry 142
Source: LDS Film 2357994

Baptisms: 28 Jul 1872 Stowell Memorial, Salford, Lancashire, England
Elizabeth Bassindale - Child of Robert Bassindale & Caroline
Abode: 231 Cross Lane
Occupation: Farmer
Baptised by: W. Doyle
Register: Baptisms 1869 - 1898, Page 18, Entry 141
Source: LDS Film 2357994

dutch

dutch Report 28 Jan 2011 18:13

sorry to abit vague but is this my Ada or have i got that wrong ,as were Elizabeth was married its only round the corner were Ada was married the only different is the mothers name on the cert

lancashireAnn

lancashireAnn Report 28 Jan 2011 22:35

sorry dutch, please could you explain that last post a bit, only just come back on & brain tired after watching 'Hustle'!!

which Elizabeth married where

which Ada married where

which father & mother

Kay????

Kay???? Report 28 Jan 2011 22:44


Dutch,

I am wondering if John could have become a step father to Ada at some point in her early years?

A marriage certificate for Elizabeth and lousia may shed light,,but were they ever cousins to Ada?

Although you say in 1871 Ada,Elizabeth and Lousia are granddaughters of William Bassendale,were they all sisters?

Could be not as black and white as it seems?

lancashireAnn

lancashireAnn Report 28 Jan 2011 23:00

was that 1871 census only a guess as I seem to remember you said somewhere that you did not actually know the names of Ada's sisters? I think it was a guess that Ada grandaughter of William was yours but your Ada says she was born Manchester in the census records with Samuel.

We seem to have found several Ada & Elizabeth Bassindale/Bassendale/Baxendale families

(if going for Baxendale it was a very common surname in Lancs)

I did look for a death of a Robert but I did find a Elizabeth Bassindale d of a Caroline Barnes (widow) in 1881 but could not find a ???? Barnes and Caroline ????? marriage - confusing myself even more now!

dutch

dutch Report 29 Jan 2011 09:59

Kay your right i was,nt sure if they were here sisters mybe they were cousins
lincashireAnn yes it does say Manchester but if she was with her g,father she was only 2yrs old so probley would,nt no were she was born
Ada Mary Bassindale married to Samuel in Parish Church 1893 ,Walton on the hill
Elizabeth Bassindalemarried Frederick Bottcher All Saints Church parish of west derby in 1890
now i cant remember when but when Ada moved to Buchanan Road ,Elizabeth lived two streets away
Also Frederick died and Elizabeth married John j Jones and her mother was Caroline Barnes married to William eith Bassindale or Barnes,i got that of LDS some time ago ,they got married in New York it does get confusing
I have just been contact by cousin of my mothers so mybe he can help with the bassindales as he still lives in the same place my mum was born,Bootle

lancashireAnn

lancashireAnn Report 29 Jan 2011 12:11

'lincashireAnn yes it does say Manchester but if she was with her g,father she was only 2yrs old so probley would,nt no were she was born'

sorry dutch, but I still do not know how you know that William was her g grandfather, the fact that she was only 2 is probably not too important. Her g grandfather would have known where she was born. On the other hand he might not have told her.

BUT you have not yet proved who Ada's grandparents are yet let alone her gt grandfather.

To go right back to basics. You say your mother married as May Mellor. Are you sure you have the right birth certificate for her. Did you know her as Ada or as May? There are several May Mellor birth regs in Lancs about the right time.

Sorry to seem doubting. I am just trying to think 'out of the box' a bit to see if there is another direction we can try.

lancashireAnn

lancashireAnn Report 29 Jan 2011 12:30

'Also Frederick died and Elizabeth married John j Jones and her mother was Caroline Barnes married to William eith Bassindale or Barnes,i got that of LDS some time ago ,they got married in New York it does get confusing'

is this the one you mean?

Elizabeth Bassindale Bottcher
Event(s):
Birth:
Dorchester, Dorset, England
Parents:
Father: William
Mother: Caroline Cole

Marriages:
Spouse: John Fredrick Jones
Marriage: 26 JUN 1899 Manhattan, New York, New York

the plot thickens! -it's the only one I can find on the lds but she was born in Dorset!

dutch

dutch Report 29 Jan 2011 12:51

On my mums birth cert it has only got Ada born 12 march 1908 Sandon road Walton,on her marriage cert its got may miller but i know for afcat thats my mum cos i have all my dads family but he use to call her May,and on her death cert she is Ada May Morgan,and on my dads death cert it has widow A.Morgan but my mum could,nt read or write so she never signed marriage cert it must have been my dad and her fathers name was also spelt Millar when it was Mellor just misprint i think

lancashireAnn

lancashireAnn Report 29 Jan 2011 13:22

thanks dutch

really just looking for another way to go to find the right Bassingdales

dutch

dutch Report 29 Jan 2011 15:11

Elizabeth had daughter called Ada and Ada called one of her daughters Elizabeth Mary,thats why i thought they might have been sisters i tell you that did,nt half give us the round around trying to find them,have them all on my g,fathers side the Mellors but nothing for g,mother at all its mistery

LadyKira

LadyKira Report 29 Jan 2011 15:46

I think that you have confused what you know with what has been found for you over the years. I think you will need to put aside everything you think you know and work from there. you have ada mary's marriage cert and some census info. we have found some bassindales on the same street as the mellors so that may well be how they met,


why not try to make a tree for those bassindales just to see where that leads?

i also think mary would be a good name to try.

i have often come across people who are called by their middle name. seems quite common in lancashire.

LadyKira

LadyKira Report 29 Jan 2011 16:00

Marriages Sep 1890 (>99%)
Bassindale Elizabeth W. Derby 8b 801
BOTTCHER Frederick West Derby 8b 801



1901 census - household transcription
Person: BOTTCHER, Frederick
Address: 13, Peveril Street, Walton On The Hill, Liverpool
JONES, Elizabeth Head Married F 38 1863
Doncaster
Yorkshire
JONES, Lucy Edith Daughter F 1 (15 MOS) 1900
Liverpool
Lancashire
BOTTCHER, Frederick Step Son M 9 1892
Liverpool
Lancashire
BOTTCHER, Francis James Step Son Single M 20 1881 Railway Porter
Liverpool
Lancashire

LadyKira

LadyKira Report 29 Jan 2011 16:02

1891 census - household transcription
Person: BOTTCHER, Elizabeth
Address: 77, Ismay Street, Walton On The Hill, Walton
BOTTCHER, Elizabeth Wife Married F 28 1863
Manchester
Lancashire
BOTTCHER, France Son M 10 1881 Scholar
Liverpool
Lancashire
BOTTCHER, Ada Daughter F 18 1873 Scholar
Liverpool
Lancashire
BOTTCHER, Emily Daughter F 5 1886 Scholar
Liverpool
Lancashire