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Thank you very much mgnv. That's so clever of you and will be extremely useful to me.

Much appreciated. :-D

You can search all the English censuses at:
https://familysearch.org/search/collection/list#page=1®ion=UNITED_KINGDOM_IRELAND

However, mostly they just return the sought individual's details, with no h/h composition. The exceptions (so really the only ones worth bothering with) are 1871 and 1881 - here's your mob:
1871 https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/KZG1-GQ8
1881 https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XQXL-5D4
As you'll see, there's no occup nor census ref for 1871.

It's useful to know the piece # - rellies are liable to be living nearby.

Firstly, we know the rego subdistrict is Little Bolton.
Go to http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/catalogue/default.asp?j=1 and search the catalog for Little Bolton 1871-1871 with dept code=rg - you get:
RG 10/3931 Civil Parish, Township or Place: Little Bolton (pt) (Divided between RG 10/3931-3936): Higher End
RG 10/3932 Registration Sub-District 10A Little Bolton Civil Parish, Township or Place: Little Bolton (pt) (Divided between RG 10/3931-3936)
RG 10/3933 Registration Sub-District 10B Little Bolton Civil Parish, Township or Place: Little Bolton (pt) (Divided between RG 10/3931-3936)
RG 10/3934 Registration Sub-District 10C Little Bolton Civil Parish, Township or Place: Little Bolton (pt) (Divided between RG 10/3931-3936)
RG 10/3935 Registration Sub-District 10D Little Bolton Civil Parish, Township or Place: Little Bolton (pt) (Divided between RG 10/3931-3936)
RG 10/3936 Registration Sub-District 10E Little Bolton Civil Parish, Township or Place: Little Bolton (pt) (Divided between RG 10/3931-3936)

It's a bit suspicious that rg10/3931 preceeds subdistrict 10A, so use the little reference search box at top left to search for rg10/3931 and rg10/3937
We see that:
RG 10/3931 Registration Sub-District 9 Sharples

Piece reference RG 10/3937
Registration Sub-District 11A Bolton Eastern Civil Parish, Township or Place: Great Bolton
So piece #s 3932-3936 cover Little Bolton subdistrict.
Now do a free search on 1871 Ancestry for Jesse Hartley b 1865 there's only one:

View Record Name Parent or spouse names Birth Year Birthplace Relation Residence View Image
View Record Jesse Hartley name,name abt 1865 city, Lancashire, England relation city, Lancashire

Course, I don't get full details without a sub.

Now search again adding a piece #, so no hits for 3932/3/4, but we get him on 3935 so I can search for all Hartleys in piece # 3935 There's 9 in Jesse's h/h plus another 22 elsewhere in that piece.

Thank you, Choccy.

Very much appreciated. :-D

Susannah Bradburn (witness to marriage)

Joseph's sister -

Marriages Mar 1879 (>99%)
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>>>>>Bradburn Hugh Bolton 8c 435
GREGORY Mabal Bolton 8c 435
Gregory Mabel Bolton 8c 435
>>>>>HARTLEY Susannah Bolton 8c 435
HOPE Daniel Bolton 8c 435

1871

RG number: RG10
Piece: 3935
Folio: 53
Page: 43
Reg. District: Bolton
Sub District: Bolton, Little
Parish: Little Bolton
Enum. District: 21
Ecclesiastical District:
City/Municipal Borough: Bolton
Address: Charnock Street, Little Bolton, Bolton
County: Lancashire

HARTLEY, James Head M 45 1826 Lancashire (Marsden) - Cotton Warper
HARTLEY, Elizth Wife F 37 1834 Lancashire (Manchester)
HARTLEY, Susannah Daughter F 16 1855 Lancashire (Manchester)
>>>>>HARTLEY, Joseph Son M 15 1856 Lancashire (Manchester)
HARTLEY, William Son M 11 1860 Lancashire
HARTLEY, Jesse Son M 6 1865 Lancashire
HARTLEY, Ada Daughter F 3 1868 Lancashire
HARTLEY, Emma Daughter F 2 1869 Lancashire
HARTLEY, Dora Daughter F 0 1871 Lancashire

I've received the marriage cert. for Joseph Hartley & Jane Newton.

His father's name is James, occupation warper.

Witnessed by William Hartley & Susannah Bradburn.


I'm thinking maybe William was his brother and this may be his family in 1881.....

1881 England Census
Name: James Hartley
Age: 54
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1827
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Elizabeth Hartley
Gender: Male
Where born: Marsden, Lancashire, England
Civil parish: Little Bolton
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street Address: 3 Charnock St
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status:

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Occupation: Cotton Warper
Registration district: Bolton
Sub-registration district: Little Bolton
ED, institution, or vessel: 20
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 3836
Folio: 152
Page Number: 40
Household Members:
Name Age
James Hartley 54
Elizabeth Hartley 46
William Hartley 21
Jesse Hartley 17
Ada Hartley 13
Emma Hartley 12
Dora Hartley 10
John Hartley 8
Clara Hartley 7


I've looked on FreeCEN, but they don't have the 1871 census for that area.

Could you please see if this family has a Joseph with them in 1871?

Thank you.

Edit: Joseph Hartley b1856 Manchester.

Thanks JannieAnnie. :-)

Edit: And thank you Chris. Much appreciated. :-)

1881
NEWTON, William Lodger Single M 28 1853 Lab In A Iron Factory
Piece: 3846
Folio: 93
Page: 5
Registration District: Bolton
Civil Parish: Great Bolton
Municipal Borough:
Address: 16, Howell Croft, North, Great Bolton
County: Lancashire
Haslin Den

Chris :)

Hi Christina

If you have access to FMP the 1881 Transcript is available (free), not the image though

J-A

Forgot that Familysearch shows the full details for the 1881.

Just checked and he is single, so not my man.

Oh well, back to the drawing board :-(

Was hoping the free access on Ancestry would cover this, so I could look myself, but it's just the 1901/1911 censuses available.

Please will someone look at the 1881 image for the above to see if he is married or single?

Thank you

:-)

Can't find this one on the 1891 index, so I'm wondering if the age at death should have been 35, not 75. Please will someone check the image to see if he is married?


1881 England Census
Name: William Newton
Age: 28
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1853
Relation: Lodger
Gender: Male
Where born: Haslin Den
Civil parish: Great Bolton
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street Address: 16 Howell Croft North
Education:

Employment status:

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Occupation: Lab In A Iron Factory
Registration district: Bolton
Sub-registration district: Bolton Western
ED, institution, or vessel: 17
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 3846
Folio: 93
Page Number: 5

I have finally sent today for the marriage cert of Joseph & Jane, as I can't be sure which is 'my' Joseph on the earlier census.

Here they are in 1881....


1881 England Census
about Jos. Hartley
Name: Jos. Hartley
Age: 25
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1856
Relation: Boarder
Gender: Male
Where born: Manchester, Lancashire, England

Civil parish: Great Bolton
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address: 7 Bristol St
Education:

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Occupation: Cotton Weaver

Registration district: Bolton
Sub-registration district: Bolton Western
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 3843
Folio: 58
Page Number: 42
Household Members: Name Age
Jane Newton 30.....Head Married .....Blackburn
Wm.H. Bryce 9....Son......Bolton
Jos. Hartley 25


They're 1st child Clara was born in 1881, yet they didn't marry until 1887.....

Marriages Jun 1887 (>99%)
Hartley Joseph Bolton 8c 390
NEWTON Jane Bolton 8c 390


Jane's first marriage.

Marriages Sep 1873 (>99%)
Brice Jane Bolton 8c 343
Newton William Bolton 8c 343


So presumably they waited until William Newton's death.


Can't be sure sure this is his death, but it's in the same quarter they married.

Deaths Jun 1887 (>99%)
Newton William 75 Bolton 8c 197


Trouble is I can't find this William in the census.

Could someone please see if they can find William in 1881/1871.

Thank you, Dea. Much appreciated.

1861 England Census
about Martha Crumbleholme Name: Martha Crumbleholme
Age: 4
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1857
Relation: Daughter
Father's name: William Crumbleholme
Mother's name: Grace Crumbleholme
Gender: Female
Where born: Hindley, Lancashire, England

Civil parish: Tonge With Haulgh
Ecclesiastical parish: St James
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England


Registration district: Bolton
Sub-registration district: Tong with Haulgh
ED, institution, or vessel: 4f
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 78
Piece: 2815
Folio: 72
Page Number: 16
Household Members: Name Age
William Crumbleholme 38
Grace Crumbleholme 38
Mary Crumbleholme 16
William Crumbleholme 9
Grace Crumbleholme 7
Martha Crumbleholme 4


Source Citation: Class: RG9; Piece: 2815; Folio: 72; Page: 16; GSU roll: 543033.

Dea x

Thank you for Martha's birth registration and her parents marriage, mgnv.

Much appreciated.



Please will someone see if they can find a Martha Crumblehome, b1857 in Hindley, with parents William & Grace on the 1861 census. Thank you.

This looks like your Martha - Hindley is 10km from Bolton

http://www.lancashirebmd.org.uk/
Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1857
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
CRUMBLEHOME Martha Hindley Wigan & Leigh GLAVES HNDL/18/251

http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/
Marriage: 11 Aug 1844 St John the Evangelist, Farnworth with Kearsley, Lancashire, England
William Crumblehome - 21 Carder Bachelor of Moses Gate
Grace Gleaves - (X), 21 Spinster of Green St Farnworth
Groom's Father: William Crumblehome, Carter
Bride's Father: Daniel Gleaves, Moulder
Witness: William Hart; Nancy Crumblehome, (X)
Married by The Rites and Ceremonies of the Established Church by: Wm. Burns
Register: Marriages 1837 - 1849, Page 162, Entry 323
Source: LDS Film 1538440

Could someone see if they can find Joseph Hartley, b1856 in Manchester, on the 1861 or 1871 census please?

I don't have his father's name or occupation.

Thank you.


Could I also ask for the same for Martha Crumblehulme b1857 in Bolton, please. Mother's name is Grace, but I don't have her father's name.

Thanks for looking. :-)

Just posting this to keep all info together :)

1881 England Census
about Jos. Hartley
Name: Jos. Hartley
Age: 25
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1856
Relation: Boarder
Gender: Male
Where born: Manchester, Lancashire, England

Civil parish: Great Bolton
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address: 7 Bristol St
Education:

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Occupation: Cotton Weaver

Registration district: Bolton
Sub-registration district: Bolton Western
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 3843
Folio: 58
Page Number: 42
Household Members: Name Age
Jane Newton 30
Wm.H. Bryce 9
Jos. Hartley 25

Thanks Glitter Baby.