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Lynda - thanks for the update. To tell the truth, I'd forgotten abt this post, but it popped up on the "My threads" tool in the left margin, which I check regularly.

Let me reiterate - you really need that b.cert.

MGNV - have not been on site since your response, and also not got much further as i have only just got your info now. Thanks very much for all you put on here i will certainly be following up on what you have given to me.
Kind Regards.

I looked up John in 1851 - I think this is him:

1851 England Census
Civil parish: Compton Pauncefoot
County/Island: Somerset
Country: England
Street Address: Compton Pauncefoot
Registration district: Wincanton
Sub-registration district: Castle Cary
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 14

Matthew Paull 48 Burstock, Dorset, England Head M Farmer of 1500 acres employing 150 labourers
Elizabeth A Paull 47 Mostorton, Dorset, England Wife M
Susan Paull 20 Compton Pauncefoot, Somerset, England Daughter U
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Ruth Harvey 49 White Lackington, Somerset, England Servant W House Servant
John Harvey 25 White Lackington, Somerset, England Servant U Ag Lab
Nathaniel Harvey 19 Dilington Ilminster, Somerset, England Servant U Ag Lab
William Harvey 11 Compton Pauncefoot, Somerset, England Servant U Ag Lab

Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 1931; Folio: 58; Page: 20-21; GSU roll: 221088-221089.





BITTON (St. Mary), a parish, in the union of Keynsham, Upper division of the hundred of Langley and Swinehead, W. division of the county of Gloucester; containing, with the chapelries of Hanham and Oldland, and the district of Kingswood, 9338 inhabitants, of whom 2413 are in the hamlet of Bitton, 6¼ miles (E. S. E.) from Bristol.
LACKINGTON, WHITE (St. Mary), a parish, in the union of Chard, hundred of Abdick and Bulstone, W. division of Somerset, 1½ mile (E. N. E.) from Ilminster
from Lewis (1848) http://www.british-history.ac.uk/source.aspx?pubid=445


I then looked up marrs of John Harvey to a Mary 1851-61 in GLS, SOM.
These 3 looked likely

Marriages Dec 1854 (>99%)
Dibble Charles Bristol 6a 204
Harvey John Bristol 6a 204
Rich Harriet Bristol 6a 204
Saunders Mary Bristol 6a 204

Marriages Sep 1855 (>99%)
HARRIS Mary Clifton 6a 185
HARVEY John Clifton 6a 185
Lewis Henry Clifton 6a 185
Lismore Maria Clifton 6a 185

Marriages Dec 1855 (>99%)
CAIN Cornelius Bristol 6a 164
DAVIS Ann Bristol 6a 164
HARVEY John Bristol 6a 164
LETHEREN Mary Bristol 6a 164

I then looked up those Mary's in 1851 - my guess is:

1851 England Census
Civil parish: Bitton
County/Island: Gloucestershire
Country: England
Street Address: Batch
Registration district: Keynsham
Sub-registration district: Bitton
ED, institution, or vessel: 2h
Household schedule number: 126

John Harris 40 Bitton, Gloucestershire, England Head M Carpenter
Rachel Harris 43 Bitton, Gloucestershire, England Wife M
Mary Harris 15 Bitton, Gloucestershire, England Daughter U Scholar
George Harris 12 Bitton, Gloucestershire, England Son Scholar
Jabez Harris 7 Bitton, Gloucestershire, England Son Scholar
Louisa Harris 2 Bitton, Gloucestershire, England Daughter
William Harris 42 Bitton, Gloucestershire, England Brother U Labourer

Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 1944; Folio: 482; Page: 31; GSU roll: 221103-221104.


1841 England Census
Civil parish: Bitton
Hundred: Langley and Swinehead (Upper Division)
County/Island: Gloucestershire
Country: England
Street Address: Batch
Registration district: Keynsham
Sub-registration district: Bitton

John Harris 30 Gloucestershire, England Carpenter
Rachiel Harris 30 Gloucestershire, England
Mary Harris 5 Gloucestershire, England
George Harris 2 Gloucestershire, England

Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece 361; Book: 18; Civil Parish: Bitton; County: Gloucestershire; Enumeration District: 14; Folio: [24]; Page: 1; Line: 24; GSU roll: 288773.
Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece 361; Book: 18; Civil Parish: Bitton; County: Gloucestershire; Enumeration District: 14; Folio: 25; Page: 2; Line: 1; GSU roll: 288773.


1841 England Census
Civil parish: Compton Pauncefoot
Hundred: Catsash
County/Island: Somerset
Country: England
Street Address: Compton P
Registration district: Wincanton
Sub-registration district: Castle Cary

William Harvey 49 Somerset, England Ag Lab
Ruth Harvey 41 Somerset, England
John Harvey 15 Somerset, England
Ann Harvey 12 Somerset, England
Nathanael Harvey 10 Somerset, England
Mary Ann Harvey 7 Somerset, England
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Susan Harvey 5 Somerset, England
William Harvey 11MO Somerset, England

Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece 937; Book: 12; Civil Parish: Compton Pauncefoot; County: Somerset; Enumeration District: 10; Folio: 5; Page: 26-27; Line: 21; GSU roll: 474595.


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It's a bit flakey - you really need that b.cert.

Once you've gotten that, you can look for the corresponding m.cert, which would have the bride & groom's dads' names.

1891 England Census
Civil parish: Oldland
Ecclesiastical parish: St Anne
County/Island: Gloucestershire
Country: England
Street Address: Park Wall
Registration district: Keynsham
Sub-registration district: Oldland
ED, institution, or vessel: 14

Mary Harvey 55 Bitton, Gloucestershire, England Head W Charwoman
Alfred Harvey 22 Bitton, Gloucestershire, England Son S Collier
Lucy Harvey 18 Bitton, Gloucestershire, England Daughter S Shoe Maker
Florence Harvey 16 Bitton, Gloucestershire, England Daughter S Shoe Maker

Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 1943; Folio 147; Page 1; GSU roll: 6097053.


1861 England Census
Civil parish: Oldland
Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity
County/Island: Somerset
Country: England
Street Address: Park Wall
Registration district: Keynsham
Sub-registration district: Oldland
ED, institution, or vessel: 13
Household schedule number: 173

John Harvey 35 Bridgwater, Somerset, England Head M Labourer
Mary Harvey 26 Bitton, Gloucestershire, England Wife M Shoe Binder
Mary A Harvey 5 Bitton, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Scholar
William Harvey 2 Bitton, Gloucestershire, England Son
Harvey 1MO[1day] Bitton, Gloucestershire, England Daughter

Source Citation: Class: RG9; Piece: 1700; Folio: 113; Page: 31; GSU roll: 542853.

Thanks so much for all your help. So much appprceiated.

A possible for Harriett's birth:

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Births Jun 1861

HARVEY Harriet Keynsham 5c 788

You can search the indexes on FreeBMD - http://www.freebmd.org.uk

You can order certificates online from General Register Office (GRO) for £9.25 - http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/

One more question - how do I go about getting a birth certificate for one of them.

Marie Celeste - Yes that is them - ALL of them the same family.

Thanks for all the info given to me, I will follow up and hopefully find the right person. Thanks so much again for your time and patience. - Lynda

Just posting that 1881 as a reference:

HARVEY, John Head Married M 55 1826 Agricultural Labourer Ilminster Gloucestershire
HARVEY, Mary Wife Married F 50 1831 Agricultural Labourer Wife Bitton Gloucestershire
HARVEY, Mary A Daughter Single F 24 1857 Stay Maker Bitton Gloucestershire
HARVEY, Harriett Daughter Single F 19 1862 Labourer At Paper Mill Bitton Gloucestershire
HARVEY, Elizabth Daughter Single F 16 1865 Labourer At Paper Mill Bitton Gloucestershire
HARVEY, James Son Single M 18 1863 General Labourer Bitton Gloucestershire
HARVEY, Alfred Son Single M 14 1867 General Labourer Bitton Gloucestershire
HARVEY, Lucy Daughter Single F 8 1873 Scholar Bitton Gloucestershire
HARVEY, Florence Daughter Single F 6 1875 Scholar Bitton Gloucestershire

Registration District: Keynsham Sub District: Oldland Enumeration District: Ecclesiastical Parish:

Civil Parish: Oldland (Gloucs) Municipal Borough:

Address: Park Wall, Oldland (Gloucs) County: Somersetshire

Neil - I am not from England, where is Cheltenham, in Somerset?

Lynda, safest and most accurate way to get her name is to get one of the children's birth certificates - very easy to follow the wrong line otherwise.

1881 census shows Mary as being age 50, so i guess she must have been 13 - oh dear!! even though the children born much later.?!

There is also marriage John Harvey to Mary Ann Davies, Cheltenham Q1 1849, GRO 11/229

I only say later marriage, as it seems an awfully young age and i was quenring this to myself too. - I will follow up on the abbott surname and see what i can find. thanks so much for that.

I know John lived in Keynsham parish, census shows his sister moved there too, also shows her children there as well as them geting married there.

All children born in Bitton - Parish Keynsham
Appears Mary (mother) was too.
John born in Ilminster (Whitelackington)

So it looks like it was Mary Abbott:

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Marriages Dec 1844
>>ABBOTT Mary Keynsham 11 149
>>HARVEY John Keynsham 11 149
MAY James Keynsham 11 149
STOCKWELL Elizabeth Keynsham 11 149
Williams Anna Keynsham 11 149
WOOD James Keynsham 11 149

Birth certificate of one of the children will confirm mother's maiden name

EDIT - looks like we crossed posts and you now think a later marriage?

In the 1881 census their eldest daughter Mary Anne was 24 yrs old, make mw think they were married about 1854 as opposed to 1844.

Thanks Lynda - any years and birthplaces for a few of them?

Where were they in census?