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Henry Martin Manwaring b13 Feb 1823 (Southwark UK)

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David

David Report 1 May 2011 01:24

Hello

I came across a baptism entry for a Henry Martin Manwaring b 13 Feb 1823 who I believe to be the son of my 3rd great grandfather also known as Henry Martin Manwaring (Until recently I was not aware of this man). The entry for the baptism was directly above the entry for Sarah Margaret Manwaring - who I have traced to be Henry snr daughter. I believe he is the son because same information in baptism as for Sarah, parents name, fathers occupation, address.

I have researched that Henry married a Elizabeth Mitchell on 18 Nov 1851 at Clifton UK, but could not find if they had any children (I have a copy of the marriage certificate). I am not sure how stable the marriage was as it would seem that at times Elizabeth and Henry were not together. I found what I beleive to be Elizabeth death and now have her death certificate.

What I am really seeking is Henry Manwaring Jnr (b1823) death record - any help appreciated.

Many thanks

BarbaraFromYorkshire

BarbaraFromYorkshire Report 1 May 2011 01:29

maybe his marriage ?


Name: Henry Martin Manwaring
Gender: Male
Father's name: Henry Martin Manwaring
Spouse's Name: Elizabeth Mitchell
Spouse's Father's Name: John Mitchell
Fathers name Henry Martin Manwaring
Marriage Date: 18 Nov 1851
Marriage Place: Clifton, Gloucestershire, England


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same but index

Name: Henry Martin Manwaring
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1851
Registration district: Clifton
Registration county (inferred): Gloucestershire
Volume Number: 11
Page Number: 424

David

David Report 1 May 2011 01:33

Hi Barbara

Many thanks for that it is the right marriage -though I should have indicated I already had the marriage details. Not sure if it will help but I sent off for a copy of certificate last week - its a case of waiting to see what it contains.

Thanks for you assistance though.

David

David Report 1 May 2011 01:36

I was hoping there was a 1831 census that would put both Henry's in the same household - but!!!

If I had some idea of his death or children that might help

Vera2010

Vera2010 Report 1 May 2011 02:40

???
1851 England Census
about Henry Manwaring Name: Henry Manwaring
Age: 28
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1823
Relation: Assistant
Gender: M (Male)
Where born: Southwark, London, England

Civil parish: Clifton
Town: Clifton
County/Island: Gloucestershire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View image

Registration district: Clifton
Sub-registration district: Clifton
ED, institution, or vessel: 1h
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 45
Piece: 1952
Folio: 261
Page Number: 14
Household Members: Name Age
Robert Simmons 37
Henry Manwaring 28
Susan Cox 23


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Vera

Vera2010

Vera2010 Report 1 May 2011 02:42

Not sure if these are the records your referring to

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
about Henry Marton Manwaring Name: Henry Marton Manwaring
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1825 - squeezed in the margin 1823
Baptism Date: 6 Mar 1825
Father's name: Henry Manwaring
Mother's name: Sarah Manwaring
Parish or Poor Law Union: St George the Martyr
Borough: Southwark


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Vera

Vera2010

Vera2010 Report 1 May 2011 02:44

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
about Sarah Margaret Manwaring Name: Sarah Margaret Manwaring
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1825 - squeezed in the margin 1824
Baptism Date: 6 Mar 1825
Father's name: Henry Manwaring
Mother's name: Sarah Manwaring
Parish or Poor Law Union: St George the Martyr
Borough: Southwark


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Vera

Vera2010

Vera2010 Report 1 May 2011 03:07

Possibly the same family living now in Worcestershire. Father Master Tailor, Sarah M born in Southwark, Surrey, Sarah mother born in Hampshire.

1851 England Census
about Henry Manwaring Name: Henry Manwaring
Age: 56
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1795
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Sarah Manwaring
Gender: M (Male)
Where born: Bennington, Kent, England

Civil parish: Worcester St Martin
County/Island: Worcestershire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View image

Registration district: Worcester
Sub-registration district: West Worcester
ED, institution, or vessel: 3a
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 103
Piece: 2042
Folio: 436
Page Number: 25
Household Members: Name Age
Henry Manwaring 56
Sarah Manwaring 53
Sarah M Manwaring 26
James J Manwaring 18
Agness Gwynn 4


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Vera

David

David Report 1 May 2011 03:16

Hi Vera

Many thanks for those records - yes the baptism records were the ones I was referring to. You can see why I assume that they were from the same family.


I would say the 1851 Census from Clifton is him - given that he got married there in the same year.

The other 1851 records is my family - it would have nice to see Henry somehow included - but not to be.. Will keep trying to find his death/birth records of children

Again thanks for your response and assistance
David

BarbaraFromYorkshire

BarbaraFromYorkshire Report 1 May 2011 03:28

have you seen this record David ? I can't view it as I don't have the World Wide Ancestry. His father is a Henry Martin


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James Samuel Manwaring 1913 location Henry Martin , name

David

David Report 1 May 2011 03:37

Hi Barbara

Again thanks -

James Samuel Manwaring (my 2ggrandfather) is I believe the brother of Henry Martin Manwaring (1823). There father wasHenry Martin Manwaring and Sarah (Margaret) Manwaring (my 3ggrandparents).
Until last week I had no idea that H M Manwaring jnr even existed - had never come up in previous searches.

thanks again for your assistance

David

David Report 1 May 2011 03:46

I just found what I am sure is census record for Elizabeth 1881 Census - still in Clifton! Couldn't find this last week- not sure why

BarbaraFromYorkshire

BarbaraFromYorkshire Report 1 May 2011 03:58

Hi David

Sorry, not been any help,He seems to have lost us. other than the birth and marriage i can't see anything else.

All the best
Barbara

Vera2010

Vera2010 Report 1 May 2011 04:09

David

There is an 1841 record of the family but once again no Henry. He would have been 17 at that time and provably out of the family but could not find him anywhere. May be he changed his name or dropped the Henry.

Vera

David

David Report 1 May 2011 04:10

Many thanks Barbara - yes he does seem to have lost us - can only assume that he was around in 1881 as Elizabeth lists self as being married. No record of her in 1891 - but in 1901 she is living with her sister
thanks again for your assistance

BarbaraFromYorkshire

BarbaraFromYorkshire Report 1 May 2011 04:15

Yes that maybe --she is in the same place in 1871 but says she is a widow !!!

and down as Elizabeth Mainwaring

Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 2544; Folio: 83; Page: 50; GSU roll: 835258.

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 1 May 2011 04:40

In that 1851 Census that Vera posted, here is a little mroe information:-


Civil parish: Clifton
Town: Clifton
County/Island: Gloucestershire
Country: England

Registration district: Clifton
Sub-registration district: Clifton

Robert Simmons 37 Grocer
Henry Manwaring 28 Grocer's Assistant
Susan Cox 23 House Servant

Address:- 4 Berkeley Place




sylvia

David

David Report 1 May 2011 04:40

Thanks Barbara

Didnt have that one - just to find 1861
Will look again for henry

BarbaraFromYorkshire

BarbaraFromYorkshire Report 1 May 2011 04:53

here she is in 1891 still as Wid.

1891 England Census 1891 England Census
Name: Elizabeth Mainwaring
Age: 71
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1820
Relation: Lodger
Gender: Female
Where born: Clifton; Bristol

Civil parish: Bedminster
Ecclesiastical parish: St Paul
County/Island: Somerset
Country: England


Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 1946; Folio 151; Page 1; GSU roll: 6097056.



Vera2010

Vera2010 Report 1 May 2011 04:56

??? married working as a EDIT Seamstress

1861 England Census
about Elizbth Manwaring Name: Elizbth Manwaring
Age: 41
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1820
Relation: Lodger
Gender: Female
Where born: Clifton; Bristol

Civil parish: Toxteth Park
Ecclesiastical parish: St Thomas
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View image

Registration district: West Derby
Sub-registration district: Toxteth Park
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 197
Piece: 2699
Folio: 18
Page Number: 38
Household Members: Name Age
Alexr Gordon 59
Ellen Gordon 53
Elizbth Gordon 29
Robt Gordon 20
John Gordon 14
Elizbth Manwaring 41


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Vera