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Leslie William Wilson b 1892 (Sydney Australia)

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David

David Report 19 Nov 2013 01:36

nudge

David

David Report 17 Nov 2013 06:06

nudge

David

David Report 17 Nov 2013 00:06

Hi

I have done further searching about Leslie William Wilson. It would seem that one part of family secret is true - Leslie- my grandmother's first husband did stay in NSW and my grandmother came to Queensland with another man who took on the same name.

The new information that I have is that Leslie W Wilson was born 8 Dec 1892 -Sydney and died 5 Oct 1980 at Picton NSW. I have purchased the death certificate - but unfortunately it has little information on it.

However I have had limited email conversation with a lady who met Leslie and her sister was married to Leslie's grandson - Glen Wilson. This lady was able to confirm Leslie's parents and that he did have a son named William David Wilson with my grandmother Clara Reynolds.

However the email conversation has ceased (not sure of reason) so I have again come to the end of the road. Any information about this Leslie William Wilson would be great.

Regards

۞ Cherilyn ۞

۞ Cherilyn ۞ Report 6 May 2011 17:08

That's a good point - about the Mr & Mrs LW...no marriage between 1923 and 1927 in NSW.

How bizarre! Ah family secrets, they'll do your head in. *grin*

David

David Report 6 May 2011 17:02

Hello

No they did not reconcile, in fact my uncle claims to have met the real Leslie William Wilson after my grandfather (the fake Leslie) had passed away. My uncle at that timewas visiting William the same one mentioned in the memorial ad.

I notice in the funderal notice that invite was for Mr & Mrs L W Wilson - perhaps the real Leslie remarried.

Unfortunately my uncle is very reluctant to tell me or my mother any information he knows that may help solve this riddle.


۞ Cherilyn ۞

۞ Cherilyn ۞ Report 6 May 2011 16:06

Ah I see. Yes generally, the co-respondent is the 'other' party in the relationship. Usually divorces were all over the papers in those days but I can't see it at all.

But as you say there is no death for Leslie Wm with parent David & Jemima, apart from the Qld one, which you suggest is a bogus identity...

Curiouser, and curiouser!

Are you certain they did not reconcile? It is entirely possible there were two men by the name of Leslie William WILSON, as it is not at all an uncommon surname...

Though I must agree that the 1928 memoriam notice only mentioning Leslie and son Wm is a very good clue. No mention of his wife or any other children.

What a puzzle!

David

David Report 6 May 2011 15:43

HI Cherilyn
Im not surprised you are confused.

The information you have provided is correct.

The story I have been told is as follows:

William Leslie son of David & Jemima married my grandmother Clara. It would seem they divorced in 1923 (I have the paperwork but it does not say divorce was final).

Clara it would seem before the divorce met my grandfather who took on the name Leslie William Wilson - they moved to Qld and it is them that is interred at Lutwyche. Why he took on that name I dont know but they continued to use it - my grandmother even provided the names of David Black Wilson and Jemima Crew Strachan (later wilson)for my grandfathers death certifcate , even though apparently they were not his parents!!!!

I am now trying to find out the identity of the man who married Clara

So there are two seperate Leslie William Wilson's - although only one is real .

Some of the information you provided seems to support the assumption that they are seperate individuals - as records for Leslie William in Qld & NSW at same time. I now need to find either a marriage record for the NSW Leslie William Wilson or a death for him which will confirm that my grandfather stole his identity.

Hope this makes sense - it is confusing to write it out.

On the application for divorce the applicant is Leslie William Wilson and he list my grandmother and a Joseph Dooley as the respondents. Perhaps Joseph is my mothers father and my grandfather!!

cheers

۞ Cherilyn ۞

۞ Cherilyn ۞ Report 6 May 2011 14:43

From www.trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper

I am confused - was there also a Wm who was the son of David & Jemima?

Is the Leslie Wm who died in Qld the correct one?

I though it was Leslie Wm who had a son named Wm?

Leslie & Clara divorced? Yet they were still interred together...interesting :)

David

David Report 6 May 2011 12:18

Hi Cherilyn
Can you tell me where you found those death notices etc for Jemima
thanks

David

David Report 6 May 2011 10:52

thanks Moonbi

moonbi

moonbi Report 6 May 2011 10:37

DEATHs in NSW

There are two Wilson with mother Jemima

2885/1955
WILSON Arthur David
Father given name David Black
Mother Jemima Crew
District Newton

and
7163/ 1960
WILSON Walter Norman
Father given name David Black
Mother Jemima Crew
District Rockdale

David

David Report 6 May 2011 09:57

Thanks Cherilyn

The in memorial notice placed by Leslie would seem to verify part of the story at least - by 1928 my grandmother had 4 other childre - all supposedly to the man she married. Leslie however has always claimed that only William was his. There was a divorce applied for in 1923 but the paperwork I have does not say it was absolute - I have assumed it was.

The burial of Clara and Leslie you found are my grandparents. But I am beginning to suspect that perhaps there is truth in the rumour that my grandfathers name was not leslie william wilson. If so they kept the charade very well as the death cert for Qld William lists David Black and Jemima as his parents. Oh the mystery deepens.

Thanks for your assistance - now just need to find a death for William in NSW which list David & Jemima as his parents. Any other info/tips you can provide would be greatly appreciated.

thanks

۞ Cherilyn ۞

۞ Cherilyn ۞ Report 6 May 2011 06:05

Burial of Leslie Wm and wife Clara:

Wilson Leslie William 09 / 03 / 1956 63 years
Wilson Clara 29 / 09 / 1977 73 years
Cemetery: Lutwyche Cemetery
Street Address: Cnr Lutwyche and Kitchener Rds, Kedron
Monumental 14 5 13

From http://www.brisbane.qld.gov.au/facilities-recreation/cemeteries/grave-location-search/index.htm

۞ Cherilyn ۞

۞ Cherilyn ۞ Report 6 May 2011 05:50

Marriage:
347/1880 WILSON DAVID BLACK [married] STRACHAN JEMIMA CREW [in] SYDNEY

Suspect this is Jemima's birth with informant error on her death:

11958/1857 STRACHAN JEMIMA C [f] JAMES [m] ELIZABETH WINDSOR

Fits with her age at death.

This marriage would seem to clinch it - mother's maiden name CREW. Not sure why reg twice, perhaps one is her previous married name?

2125/1856 STRACHAN JAMES [mar] CREW ELIZABETH WINDSOR
2125/1856 STRACHAN JAMES [mar] ENTWISLE ELIZABETH WINDSOR

۞ Cherilyn ۞

۞ Cherilyn ۞ Report 6 May 2011 05:33

This is a memoriam notice placed by Leslie for his mother:

The Sydney Morning Herald, Saturday 21 April 1928, p.15
WILSON.-In loving memory of mv dear mother, Jemima Crew Wilson, died April 21, 1927.
Inserted by her loving son, Leslie, and grandchild, William.

Her death reg:
5864/1927 WILSON JEMIMA C ROBERT ELIZABETH GRANVILLE

Death notice:
Saturday 23 April 1927, p.14
WILSON.-April 21, 1927, at her son-in-law's (Mr. F. W. Kelley) residence, South Granville-parade, Granville, Jemima Crew Wilson, aged 69 years.

Her funeral notice states she was to be interred at the Rookwood Cemetery, Presbyterian. Invited are relatives and friends of Mr & Mrs R. J. North, Mrs & Mrs A. D. Wilson, Mrs & Mrs W. M. Wilson, Mr & Mrs L. W. Wilson, & Mr & Mrs F. W. Kelley.

There are also notices from her other children. One notice also mentions father David who died April 21, 1923.

This would be it:
8730/1923 WILSON DAVID B JAMES JEAN GRANVILLE

He also died at the Kelley's residence in Granville, and was interred at Rookwood Presbyterian.

See http://www.rookwoodindependent.com.au/

۞ Cherilyn ۞

۞ Cherilyn ۞ Report 6 May 2011 05:17

It seems the Leslie Wm who died in Brisbane was alreday in Qld by 1933 (does not fit with electoral roll in NSW...). His death on Qld bdm online does not show parents names.

The Brisbane Courier, Tuesday 21 March 1933
TRAFFIC BREACHES.
A fine of £3, in default seven days' imprisonment, was imposed by Mr. P. M. Hishon, P.M., in the Police Court yesterday, on Leslie William Wilson (40), fisherman, who pleaded guilty to a charge that, on March 19, at Mus- grave Road, Brisbane, he was under the influence of liquor while in charge of a horse and cart. Senior Sergeant D. M'Grath prosecuted.

From www.trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper

David

David Report 5 May 2011 02:17

Hi I have now found those census records

David

David Report 5 May 2011 02:13

thanks moonbi

David

David Report 5 May 2011 02:12

thanks tony - yes that would be my man.

How did you find the electoral information ?

This information may help solve a mystery - Leslie William Wilson married my grandmother in 1920. Rumour has it he was aboriginal - my research indicates otherwise- he was born to David Black Wilson and Jemima Crew Strachan - so of Scottish origin.

The rumour gets more complicated apparently my mothers father was not the man who married my grandmother but rather a man who had assumed that name. The fact that there is a 1936 census records for this man in NSW at the same time as he living in Queensand could mean the rumour is true. The 'LW Wilson' who died 7 Mar 1956 is my mothers father . Hope you can follow this I have just finished night duty and really should be in bed.

thanks for your assistance

moonbi

moonbi Report 5 May 2011 02:05

NSW registry of Births deaths and marriages

Marriage

WILSON Leslie W to Clara Reynolds at St Peters
Marriage 1920
record no. 7873/1920
facility to buy record.