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Elizabeth Greenall born c1803 Parr Lancashire.

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wellybobs Report 18 May 2011 16:37

Hi all,
Please can someone help as I am well and truly stuck. :-)
What i know so far - Married John Bradbury 23/11/1823 St, Mary the Virgin Prescot Lancashire.
John Bradbury Labourer - Elizabeth Greenall spinster.
Witnesses Sarah dickson and Charles Dagnall Source LDS film 1482456.
present on 1841/51/61 census with John and children and her sister Margaret Greenall.
Struggling to find her father and mother
Found an Elizabeth Greenall baptized 1804 to Peter Greenall and Lydia but then found her married to a Peter Marsh in 1828 on a "submission" on LDS
so that probably rules that one out.
Found one born 1800 to William Greenall and Sarah but its difficult to substantiate the connection.
Any help will be much appreciated cos I don't know where to look next.
Thanks. M.


Lynski Report 18 May 2011 22:59

Have you tried Search Trees on this site?

There are 3 other members who have Elizabeth Greenall 1803 (+/- 5 years) born in Parr.

You could contact them to see if you have a connection and if they have any further information?


wellybobs Report 18 May 2011 23:02

Hi Lynne,
thanks for your reply, I did'nt think of doing that but I will give it a go.
cheers M


JaneyCanuck Report 18 May 2011 23:26

Well Wellybobs, I and 21 others had read your post! (re your post on Genealogy Chat saying you'd had no replies)

In this case, it looks like you have checked the same sources as anybody else would have access to.

You're looking for the birth/baptism of someone born c1803.

You know who the person married -- but there's no indication in the marriage record of the person's parents' names. So you have no way of knowing whether you have found the right birth, even if you find one.

No, rats, that's only from 1837 onward. I have no personal connection to Lancashire so I'm not especially familiar with sources. if If you replace "before or after" in your post heading with the location of her birth, it could help attract attention from someone more familiar with Lancashire.

It also helps to post a census record, not just say you have it. Information there may prove useful.


Name: Elizabeth Bradbury
Age: 46
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1805
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: John Bradbury
Where born: Parr, Lancashire, England

Name: Margaret Greenall
Age: 50
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1801
Relation: Sister-in-Law
Where born: Eccleston, Lancashire, England

Civil parish: Ashton in Makerfield
County/Island: Lancashire

John Bradbury 48
Elizabeth Bradbury 46
Edward Bradbury 25
Joseph Bradbury 23
Elizabeth Bradbury 15
Barbara Bradbury 12
Mary Bradbury 9
Robert Bradbury 6
Ellen Bradbury 2
Margaret Greenall 50

No luck finding Margaret Greenall baptism either, I'm afraid.


JaneyCanuck Report 18 May 2011 23:27

You didn't search trees?????



Lynski Report 19 May 2011 04:04

It is possible that the surname Greenall is also Greenhalgh in parish registers????


SylviaInCanada Report 19 May 2011 04:32

did you try the Lancashire Online Parish Clerks site?

it's a free site



SylviaInCanada Report 19 May 2011 04:41

from that Lancs opc site

Marriage: 23 Nov 1823 St Mary The Virgin, Prescot, Lancashire, England
John Bradbury - (X), Labourer Bachelor of This Parish
Elizabeth Greenall - (X), Spinster of This Parish
Witness: Sarah Dickson; Charles Dagnall
Married by Banns by: Jno Cooper
Register: Marriages 1813 - 1830, Page 169, Entry 506
Source: LDS Film 1657584

Is this the one born in 1800 that you found??

Baptisms: 3 Aug 1800 St Peter, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Elizabeth Greenall - Daughter of William Greenall & Sarah
Born: 26 Jul 1800
Abode: Hale St.
Occupation: Watch maker
Register: Baptisms 1799 - 1810, Page 107, Entry 23
Source: LDS Film 1656377

Does anywhere giver her birth as Liverpool?



Barbara Report 19 May 2011 07:39

The place given on the census fo rthe birth place of Elizabeth and Margaret are very close to St Helens (Parr and Eccleston) and Prescot is between St Helens and Liverpool


wellybobs Report 19 May 2011 10:19

Hi many thanks for your replies,
thanks for the idea of changing the "before or after" to place of birth Janey, I am not familiar myself with Lancashire so sometimes it is a little difficult to understand the different locations in relation to each other.
SylviaIC, I have tried online Parish records, and Family search, I could not find the marriage on the old version but it was on the new version but with not added information. The birth you found is the one I found but there is nothing to substantiate a connection.
I have to hang my head in shame, I have not yet searched trees, it is something I have never done, I think that has more to do with unsuccesful "hot matches" for which GR seems to be famous!
I will now though :-)
Going out for the day now to visit the family so will get to it again tomorra, so once again many thanks for taking the time and trouble to look for me, it is much appreciated.
and Janey, thanks for feeling guilty ;-)
take care one and all. cheers. M.


JaneyCanuck Report 19 May 2011 16:55

Lynne -- re Greenall / Greenhalgh -- actually there happens to be a recent thread on the boards about someone who was called variously Greenhall and Greenall -- so Greenhalgh may very well be another variant to look for.

And Sylvia, see how stupid I am about Lancashire, I knew there was something -- lancs opc, not lancashirebmd. Remind me from time to time.

From that site, William Greenall and Sarah (Thomas) had three other children:

James and William bap 1808
Edward bap 1817

No Margaret.

A Margaret:

Baptisms: 7 Dec 1800 St John, Preston, Lancashire, England
Margaret Greenell - Daughter of Thos. Greenell & Margt.
Born: 3 Nov 1800
Register: Baptisms 1795 - 1806, Page 62, Entry 1484
Source: LDS Film 1278740

but no Elizabeth for those parents!


JaneyCanuck Report 19 May 2011 16:59


Baptisms: 1 May 1803 Monton Green Presbyterian Chapel, Eccles, Lancashire, England
Betty Greenhalgh - Daughter of Thomas Greenhalgh & Alice
Born: 4 Apr 1803
Abode: Monton
Baptised by: R. Smethurst Minister
Register: Births and Baptisms 1786 - 1818, Page 53, Entry 3
Source: LDS Film 560880

A load of other kids for them ... but no Margaret ... !


wellybobs Report 20 May 2011 16:49

Hi all,
got back to it this pm and many thanks for your posts..... I have sent messages to the three trees with Elizabeth Greenall on, one of them I have had contact with in November and I have asked again if he can point me in the right direction cos he has got further back on her husband, John Bradbury than I have so I will have to wait and see what I get.
I am going to follow up the ideas on Greenell, Greenhalgh etc., and will keep you up to date with how I get on.
Does anyone know if the online parish records are "extractions" and will the Lancashire Records office possibly have more information such as fathers names.?


lancashireAnn Report 20 May 2011 18:07

opc records online contain all the details from the parish register so LRO will only confirm what has been transcribed


wellybobs Report 20 May 2011 18:20

Thanks LancashireAnn,
it was a long shot but thought it might be worth a try.

thanks again.


lancashireAnn Report 20 May 2011 18:38

could Margaret Greenall on that census actually be Elizabeth's cousin rather than sister

Marriage: 21 Dec 1783 St Wilfrid, Farnworth near Prescot, Lancashire, England
William Greenall - Blacksmith of Farnworth near Prescot
Margaret Dagnall - (X), Spinster of Farnworth near Prescot
Witness: Jonathan Watkin; John Catterall
Married by Banns by: Thomas Moss Minister
Register: Marriages 1781 - 1812, Page 14, Entry 815
Source: LDS Film 166235 item 4

name of witness on Elizabeth's marriage - Charles Dagnall

(clutching at straws here)


wellybobs Report 20 May 2011 22:35

I suppose it is possible, but I think on the census I have seen, on FMP and GR it's been transcribed as Margaret being unmarried and sister in law.

On the original image on the GR 1861 census there is a John ?, it looks similar to greenall and he is listed as son - in -law, I don;t know if there is any significance in that, which again is clutching at straws, i think!
I am hoping that the messages to the three tree holders comes up with some evidence.
I know one has more information on Elizabeths husband and I have asked how he traced the information, I honestly don't want to just add names to my tree without some supporting information which I should be able to find if someone else has, hopefully!! :S
In the meantime, thanks for the help and will keep exploring :-) M


lancashireAnn Report 20 May 2011 23:15

mmm - not both of those states

sister -in-law to William = married to W's brother - so no

unmarried = sister to Elizabeth - so no

(I do not have access to census to see the details myself)

it was just trying to find a possible connection with Charles Dagnall


wellybobs Report 21 May 2011 15:55

just to let you know that two of the tree holders have opened their trees and neither have any further info on Elizabeth Greenall other than her sister Margaret.
Both have information on Elizabeths husband John Bradbury with his father, mother and siblings etc, and their source of information is IGI and parish records, which I have also looked at but I guess I need to look more closely at those for a connection to her husband.
At this rate I reckon that Elizabeth could remain a mystery :-(
Once again many to you all. M.


Jade Report 1 Feb 2013 16:48

Hi Wellybobs,

Have you managed to find anything on the Greenalls yet? I am stuck with a George Greenall born in 1804 in Parr, so he could possibly be a brother or other relation of Elizabeth/ Margaret