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Not my Mary Guest, I'm afraid - but thank you.

My Mary was Mary Waters Guest - became Mary (Waters) Thomas. I think she may well have invented or adopted the surname Cook - adopted seems likely because I've been unable to find a marriage to a Mr Cook yet it seems possible that this is Jessie's 'real' father's surname as why would Mary have not registered Jessie under her surname (Guest)?

same family in 1901

Benjamin J Ackerley 49
Mary A Ackerley 49
Mary A Ackerley 25
Harold A Ackerley 22
Frances M Ackerley 9
Constance M M Ackerley 5

but they were also together in 1881

the closest I can see in 1911 - living in Bootle

Benjamin John Acherley 59
Mary Amelia Acherley 59
Mary Amelia Acherley 35
Francis Mary Acherley 19
Constance Margaret Acherley 15

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1884
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
GUEST Mary ACHRAY Benjamin Liverpool, St. Peter Liverpool 2122LP/77/46

Thank you, Marie Celeste.

I'll check further.

The two grooms on that 1884 marriage should be Benjamin Ackary and Michael Hart.

For some reason Benjamin has been mistranscribed as Henrietta on some sites.

This is the FreeBMD transcription

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Marriages Sep 1884
ACKABY Benjamin Liverpool 8b 155
Ackary Benjamin Liverpool 8b 155
GUEST Mary Liverpool 8b 155
HACKETT Elizabeth Liverpool 8b 155
HART Michael Liverpool 8b 155

I know there was no father registered for Jessie's birth but I'm wondering where Mary (the mother) got the surname Cook from.

I've looked at the marriages in Liverpool and found a Mary Guest marrying in 1884 and the only other Mary Guest born there before this would have been too young to marry in 1884. I'm wondering whether my Mary Guest was first married in 1884 but there is no indication of the spouse's name in the marriage registrations - it lists probably could have been to one of the following - then gives one man's name and three females' names.

Can anyone help me with the 1884 spouse's name, please?

Thank you for letting us know!!

It's good to know that you have found your grandmother's registration.



sylvia

An update to all who helped me with this.

I tracked two Jessie Cooks down, both born in Liverpool at similar times (188/9).

One died and, not finding what happened to the other, took a leap of faith and thought that this could be my grandmother who, in the 1891 Census was listed as Jessie C Thomas and whose marriage certificate gives her name as Jessie Cooke Thomas. I sent for Jessie's birth certificate and it arrived - yes, it was my grandmother, born 21 July 1888 at Liverpool. Her mother gave her name as Mary Cook but I can't find a marriage (she was born Mary Waters Guest) and there's no father's name on my gran's birth certificate so Mary may have given a false name or used my gran's father's surname as her own.

Thank you everyone for your help.

Sorry, mgnv, I did not reply to your June message and I've only just discovered this oversight while checking everything.

I found that September 1888 birth for Jessie Cook at W Derby and my cousin's checking it.

Thank you.

Seeing as they were living in West Derby RD in 1891, I checked there for Jes* b 1888q3 or 1889q3. There was a

Births Sep 1888 (>99%)
COOK Jessie W Derby 8b 426

I don't know the relevance of this.

PM received ....

Jesse was Jessie (my gran) but she was born on 21 July 1888 or 1889 and we assumed it was at Liverpool or perhaps Manchester where she worked at one time. Although she gives Joseph Henry Thomas as her father on her marriage cert she gives her own name as Jessie Cooke Thomas. The plot thickens.

By the way, you included Sarah Jane Oates and Harry Spencer on the Thomas marriage info. Were they bridesmaid/best man, by any chance? I'm new to this and not quite au fait with the way everything is recorded.

Many thanks,
Joy
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If the 1891 marriage is correct then Jessie was born beforehand so may not be a Thomas. ( perhaps she was born Jessie Cooke and simply adopted the surname Thomas after her mother married.

Or.. she IS a Thomas but to a different mother.

Have sent pm regarding the other name appearing on the marriage record.

another free site which you may find useful is lan-opc.org.uk - Liverpool area coverage patchy but you can be lucky
eg - possible baptism for Joseph

Baptisms: 30 Apr 1865 St George, Everton, Lancashire, England
Joseph Henry Thomas - Child of Thomas Thomas & Mary
Abode: St Domingo Road
Occupation: Quarryman
Baptised by: C. Logan Curate
Register: Baptisms 1814 - 1866, Page 289, Entry 2312
Source: LDS Film 2147913

1901

Name: Jessie C Thomas
Age: 12
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1889
Relation: Daughter
Father's name: Joseph Thomas
Mother's name: Mary W Thomas
Gender: Female
Where born: Liverpool, Lancashire, England

Civil parish: Everton
Ecclesiastical parish: St Cuthbert
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England


Registration district: West Derby
Sub-registration district: North Everton
ED, institution, or vessel: 34
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 290
Piece: 3478
Folio: 150
Page Number: 51
Household Members: Name Age
Joseph Thomas 36
Mary W Thomas 36
William A Thomas 3
Jessie C Thomas 12

Joyce

Two FREE sites which you should have in your favourites........

For all bmd's from 1837 to approx 1945....................

http://www.freebmd.org.uk/

And for Lancashire bmd records..............

http://www.lancashirebmd.org.uk/

Birth registration for Mary Waters Guest

Name: Mary Waters Guest
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1864
Registration district: West Derby
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume: 8b
Page: 437




sylvia

Joyce


You have to buy the actual certificate to see whether someone is noted as spinster or widow, or the occupation.


You are lucky in that David has found what seems to be "your" couple on the Lancashire records on ancestry. But that is all that you will see without buying the certificate.




sylvia

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1891
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
GUEST Mary W THOMAS Joseph H Edge Hill, St. Mary Liverpool 2043WD/13/348

this is probably it

Name: Joseph Henry Thomas
Gender: Male
Birth Date: abt 1865
Age: 26
Father's name: Henry Thomas
Spouse's Name: Mary Waters Guest
Spouse's Age: 26
Spouse's Father's Name: William Guest
Marriage Date: 25 Jan 1891
Marriage Place: Edge Hill, Lancashire, England

Maybe ???

Marriages Mar 1891 -
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>>>>>>>>>>Guest Mary Waters - W. Derby 8b 504
Oates Sarah Jane W. Derby 8b 504
Spencer Harry W. Derby 8b 504
>>>>>>>>Thomas Joseph Henry - W. Derby 8b 504


EDIT
although Jesse was aged 2 in 1891 and I can't see a birth for Jesse Guest.
.... unless Jesse was really Jessie ???

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Births Sep 1888
GUEST Jessie Elizabeth - Dudley 6c 100