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PS They moved to Devon soon after they married...

Is this the couple in 1851? If so, all the children are Elizabeth's:

1851 England Census
about William Kelly
Name: William Kelly
Age: 44
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1807
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Elizabeth Kelly
Gender: M (Male)
Where born: London, Middlesex, England

Civil parish: Shebbear
County/Island: Devon
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View image

Registration district: Torrington
Sub-registration district: High Bickington
ED, institution, or vessel: 3a
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 71
Piece: 1894
Folio: 395
Page Number: 18
Household Members: Name Age
William Kelly 44
Elizabeth Kelly 41
William Kelly 8
Thomas Kelly 6
John Kelly 3

London, England, Baptisms, Marriages and Burials, 1538-1812 about William Kelly
Name: William Kelly
Baptism Date: 24 Aug 1806
Parish: St Luke, Old Street
County: Middlesex
Borough: Islington
Parent(s): Charles Kelly,
Hannah Kelly
Record Type: Christening

Possible parents

Is this William in 1841? If so Matilda must be from his first marriage:

1841 England Census
about William Hally
Name: William Hally
[William Kelly]
Age: 34
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1807
Gender: Male

Civil parish: East Teignmouth
Hundred: Exminster
County/Island: Devon
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation: View image

Registration district: Newton Abbot
Sub-registration district: Teignmouth
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 220
Book: 12
Folio: 5
Page Number: 4
Household Members: Name Age
William Hally 34
Elizabeth Hally 31
Matilda C Hally 7
Mary Hally 3 MO

Occupation is very difficult to read, but I think it says "Independant"; in 1851 he is a schoolmaster.

All born out of county

Potty

Yes that's them in 1851.

I guess even if he had been married c1830, any children would still be with him in 1841...

Is there any trace of his father Charles in 1841? Or is that impossible without his birthyear and birthplace? Not sure if he stayed in London area.

I guess I may never know who his first wife was or what happened to her.

:(

Oh hang on the 1841 is new...hadn't seen that...interesting

And the baptism also new! Well done!!!

His son John Ebenezer (my gg-grandfather) was referred to as an independent minister in 1881 I think, so the 1841 looks good

He was headmaster at Shebbear College in Devon in the 1840s so that fits.

How exciting, you guys are brilliant!!! Thankyou!!!! <3

I wonder what became of Matilda then? Mary could be Elizabeth's as they married in jan 1840

Looking for a baptims for Matilda, this is the only one with a father William:

MATILDA ELIZABETH KELLY
Birth: 14 APR 1834

Christening: 22 JUN 1834 Old Gravel Lane Saint George In The East Independest, Stepney, London, England
Father: WM. KELLY Family
Mother: ELIZABETH

FMP have the 1841 as this Cherilyn

KELLY, William M 34 1807
KELLY, Elizabeth F 31 1810
KELLY, Matilda E F 7 1834
KELLY, Mary F 0 (3 months) 1841
ELEMOS, Mary F 17 1824 Devon

Registration District:
Newton Abbot Sub District:
Teignmouth Enumeration District:
Ecclesiastical Parish:

Civil Parish:
East Teignmouth Municipal Borough:
Address:
Dawlish Street, East Teignmouth County:
Devonshire

I would say that it IS Independent Minister on the image and it looks as though Potty may well have the baptism for Matilda as again it DOES look more like an E for second initial than C on image for Matilda.

Posible maybe
Charles Kelly marriage to Hannah Tongue 09/01/1803 St George the Martyr Surrey.
Marriage of William Kelly to Elizabeth Hurst 07/01/1833 at the same church. One witness is Matilda Dawson the other looks like W hurst.

There is this marriage for a Matilda Elizabeth Kelly:

Marriages Jun 1860 (>99%)

FILLIS Frederick Mt Harbro 7a 54
Kelly Matilda Elizabeth Mt. Harbro 7a 54
LEMON Martin William Mt. Harbro 7a 54
Wilkinson Isabella Mt. Harbro 7a 54

The 1861 shows that she married Martin Lemon:

1861 England Census
about Martin W Lemon
Name: Martin W Lemon
Age: 21
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1840
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Matilda E Lemon
Gender: Male
Where born: Teddington, Middlesex, England

Civil parish: Taunton St James
Town: Taunton
County/Island: Somerset
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View image

Registration district: Taunton
Sub-registration district: Taunton St James
ED, institution, or vessel: 5f
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 112
Piece: 1618
Folio: 104
Page Number: 18
Household Members: Name Age
Martin W Lemon 21 Attorney's Engraving Clerk
Matilda E Lemon 26 b London, formerly school mistress.

A possible for Charles Kelly:

1841 England Census
Name: Charles Kelley
Age: 75
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1766
Gender: Male
Where born: Middlesex, England

Civil parish: Grays Inn
Hundred: Inns of Court and Chancery
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England
Household Members: Name Age
Charles Kelley 75 , Living Grays Inn Court, Independant.

He has aged somewhat when he dies in 1847 - age given as 92:

Name: Charles Kelly
Record Type: Burial
Estimated Death Date: abt 1847
Burial Date: 23 Dec 1847
Age: 92
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1755
Parish or Poor Law Union: Kensal Green All Souls
Borough: Kensington and Chelsea
County: Middlesex

Found another maybe ancestry records say this Elizabeth married William Kelly

Elizabeth Hurst
baptised 02/09/1812
St John's Hackney
Parents William Hurst and Eliza Achpitel.

Back this morning and I see you have been busy! Thank you again.

So Mary must have died between 1841 and 1851. But if Matilda married in 1860, where is she in the 1851 census?

At 17 I suppose she could have been a servant somewhere, or similar.

And so the first Elizabeth has died between 1833 and 1840.

All very exciting progress! Not sure how I can confirm without certs being available...I guess Matilda's marriage would help confirm her father as Rev Wm.

No idea when Wm & Elizabeth died, too many Kellys and no idea if they left Devon.

Got to go to work now, but will be back later today :-)

Thanx again Potty, Helen, Joan and Fanny.

1851 (a possible for Matilda, with schoolmaster)

BURBIDGE, William Head Married M 29 1822 Schoolmaster
Clerkenwell
Middlesex
BURBIDGE, Eliza M Wife Married F 27 1824 Schoolmistress
Kent
BURBIDGE, Richard J Son M 3 1848
Clerkenwell
Middlesex
BURBIDGE, Eliza M Daughter F 1 1850
Clerkenwell
Middlesex
KELLY, Matilda Servant Unmarried F 20 1831 General Servant
Shoreditch
Middlesex
HODGES, Jane Servant Unmarried F 20 1831 General Servant
Marylebone
Middlesex

RG number:
HO107 Piece:
1518 Folio:
163 Page:
5

Registration District:
Clerkenwell Sub District:
Pentonville Enumeration District:
6 Ecclesiastical Parish:
Saint James Pentonville

Civil Parish:
Saint James Clerkenwell Municipal Borough:
Finsbury Address:
19, Penton Street, Saint James Clerkenwell, Finsbury County:
Middlesex


1881

LEMON, Matilda E Head Widow F 45 1836 Bible Woman For St Andrew Parish
London, London
Middlesex
LEMON, Elizabeth M Daughter Single F 19 1862 Assistant Mistress (School)
Taunton
Somerset
LEMON, Emma J Daughter Single F 16 1865 Warehouseman Hand
Leicester
Leicestershire
LEMON, Edward M Son Single M 14 1867 Warehouseman Hand
Leicester
Leicestershire

RG number:
RG11 Piece:
3173 Folio:
152 Page:
22

Registration District:
Leicester Sub District:
West Leicester Enumeration District:
Ecclesiastical Parish:


Civil Parish:
Leicester St Mary Municipal Borough:
Address:
39, Napier Street, Leicester St Mary County:
Leicestershire


England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations),1861-1941
about Martin William Lemon
Name: Martin William Lemon
Probate Date: 5 Apr 1870
Death Date: 22 Jul 1869
Death Place: Leicestershire, England
Registry: Leicestershire

(Letters of Administration to Matilda, Ancestry are doing a free offer of look up's on these at the moment, take a look!)


www.stgite.org.uk/media/dissenters2.html

(a little snippet on William, if you haven't got it, down the page a bit, under Independent/Congregational Chapel Old Gravel Lane)

Chris :)

Well done Chris, so it looks as if we have the right baptism for Matilda. There is another Kelly child baptised at the same church. He doesn't appear on the 1841, so possibly died:

WILLIAM HENRY KELLY
Birth: 21 NOV 1835

Christening: 14 FEB 1836 Old Gravel Lane Saint George In The East Independest, Stepney, London, England
Parents:
Father: WM. KELLY Family
Mother: ELIZABETH

I live about a mile from Shebbear College and it is still a college today.

Possible death for William Henry:

Deaths Sep 1838 (>99%)
Kelly William Henry St Geo : East 2 57

Oh good work, Potty! I had found that birth this afternoon and it had me concerned we had the wrong family.

Though Matilda does look like a good match - especially with her being a 'Bible woman' - whatever that is!

I was quite surprised to see Chas' occupation as stockbroker - surely that didn't that have the same meaning in the early 1800s as it does today?!

Chris - that piece about Wm certainly puts him in Old Gravel Lane at the time of Matilda & Wm Hy's births there. Though he did not stay there until 1858...

Mel - that's fantastic! They had some sort of celebration a couple of years ago and invited my mother as a descendant but of course she could not afford the airfare. The web site does not have as much history as it used to :( so I'd love to know more. There was someone at the College office who sent me a copy of a page from an old book that mentioned Wm in his time as headmaster there, which was lovely, and a photo of a plaque.

By the by, looking at the christening for Wm KELLY in 1806 to Chas & Hannah, I found another at St Luke Old Street, Finsbury to same parents -
Hannah Matilda KELLY! b. 26 April 1810, chr. 20 May 1810.

But can't find her after that. Anyone??? Please ;-)

I need to go to the library on Saturday so might take advantage of the free Anc access they have...not sure how much more it will tell me tho!