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I have been fairly successful in tracking the family of Thomas Glover (master mariner born Bideford c1816) and Sarah Matthews Coles (born Northam/Appledore 1817) in Appledore but can't find some of them on some censuses. Their eldest child Herbert Ebenezer Glover is my great great grandfather and I've tracked him with no problems (hardly surprising with a name like that!) The other children appear to be
Alfred Coles Glover born 1842,
Lavinia born 1844,
Sarah born 1847,
Emmeline born 1851,
Georgina born 1853,
Henrietta born 1856 and
Catherine Elizabeth (Kate or Katie) born 1863.

My great aunt remembered Sarah, Lavinia, Emmie, Georgina and Hettie but also mentioned a brother John, who I've been unable to verify. I can't find Alfred in either 1861 or 1871, though there is a possible death in 1863.
In 1871 daughter Sarah is in Chapel Row, Appledore with her sisters Georgina (spelt Georgianna) and Henrietta, and Katie is listed as "visitor, daughter" aged 8, visiting someone at 4 Bathurst Parade, Bristol. Very annoyingly, her entry is at the top of the page so I've no idea who she was visiting or if either of her parents were there. I can't find either of them in 1871 - Thomas may well have been at sea, and maybe his wife went with him. Maybe Lavinia and Emmeline were at sea with him too - my great aunt said he used to take some of his daughters with him on voyages.

I have also been unable to track any marriages apart from Emmeline. Great aunt Pollie said that Sarah's husband was Harry and they had 2 daughters Lizzie and ? She also said that Auntie Hetty was a widow with a little son. She also (wrongly) said that Emmy was older than Sarah, and that Emmy had 2 daughters one of whom was Matilda. But her account is quite muddled in places and I've no idea if any of this is correct! The aunt Sarah could in theory be Sarah Kelly (born Appledore 1853), sister of Herbert Ebenezer Glover's wife Maria Kelly, although there wasn't an Emmy in this family!

Any help in sorting out this muddled family would be much appreciated (although I do realise that there are an awful lot of Glovers in Appledore and district!)

cheers, Linda

Heres Emm*

1871 England Census
about Emmeline Glover
Name: Emmeline Glover
Age: 19
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1852
Relation: Boarder
Gender: Female
Where born: Appledore, Devon, England
Civil parish: Bideford
Town: Bideford
County/Island: Devon
Country: England
Registration district: Bideford
Sub-registration district: Bideford
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Household schedule number: 12
Piece: 2201
Folio: 3
Page Number: 4
Household Members: Name Age
James Wyatt 49
Mary Ann Wyatt 50
Emmeline M Wyatt 23
Frank Wyatt 19
Kate Ganings 21
Emmeline Glover 19
Harriet Hamlyn 21
Elizabeth Prust 21



1891 England Census
about Emmeline Walter
Name: Emmeline Walter
[Emmeline Glover]
Age: 39
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1852
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Lewis W Walter
Mother's name: Sarah Glover
Gender: Female
Where born: Appledore, Devon, England

Civil parish: Camberwell
Ecclesiastical parish: St John
Town: East Dulwich
County/Island: London
Country: England

Registration district: Camberwell
Sub-registration district: Camberwell
ED, institution, or vessel: 30
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 470
Folio: 9
Page Number: 9
Household Members: Name Age
Lewis W Walter 42
Emmeline Walter 39
Lilian M Walter 14
Alfred E Walter 12
Florence E Walter 11
Thomas S Walter 9
Lewis W Walter 8
Sarah H Walter 7
Hetty E Walter 5
Sarah Glover 31
Steven J Pierce 21

here's Katie on 1871 and the rest of the household

Address: Bathurst Parade, Bedminster, Bristol

Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born

BROWN, Charles H Head M 35 1836 United States
BROWN, Sarah A Wife F 33 1838 Somerset
BARTLETT, Eliza A H Step-Daughter F 13 1858 Somerset
BARTLETT, Bessie M R Step-Daughter F 2 1869 Somerset
BOURNE, James Boarder M 34 1837 Warwickshire
MOSSIN, Richard A Boarder M 34 1837 Denmark
WALICE, Laura Servant F 19 1852 London
GARRETT, Mary Ann Visitor Wife F 21 1850 Devon
GARRETT, Minnie A Visitor Daughter F 0 1871 Devon
NICHOLLS, Priscilla Visitor Wife F 36 1835 Cornwall
NICHOLLS, Albert W Visitor Son M 9 1862 Devon
GLOVER, Kate Visitor Daughter F 8 1863 Devon

I think you have put so much detail that it might confuse the question!

Can you tell us what, step by step what it is you want to find?

England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1861-1941
about Alfred Cole Glover
Name: Alfred Cole Glover
Probate Date: 30 Nov 1878
Death Date: 13 Sep 1878
Death Place: Devon, England
Registry: Exeter

Died in the Gulf of Mexico. £450 to Mary Mounce, widow, one of the residuary legatees. substituted

England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index: 1837-1915
about Alfred Cole Glover
Name: Alfred Cole Glover
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1865
Registration district: Bideford
Inferred County: Devonshire
Volume Number: 5b
Page Number: 889

There is an Elizabeth Mounce on the marriage index

That's brilliant Ginny!

Sorry if I made things even more confusing!

1871 - can't find parents Thomas and Sarah or daughter Lavinia - maybe they are all at sea (as it were!) Would there be any way I could find this out?

I'm very confused by the Bristol household that Katie is staying with - don't recognise any of the names! I'll have to have a hunt and see if I can link any of them to the Glovers.

Marriages? I haven't found any apart from Emmeline.

Lavinia?

Sarah - my great aunt said her husband was Harry and that there were 2 daughters, one of them Lizzie.

Georgina?

Henrietta (Hetty)? Had a son??

:-)

possibly Lavinia on 1871 census

Address: Hall Square, Denbigh

Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born

ROBERTS, Ellen Head F 51 1820 Denbighshire
HAY, Jane Servant F 29 1842 Scotland
NEWBURY, Eliza P Servant F 32 1839 Oxfordshire
HARTES, Emma Servant F 20 1851 Yorkshire
DAVIES, Jane Annie Servant F 19 1852 Denbighshire
DALTON, F Rebecca Servant F 18 1853 Warwickshire
WILLIAMS, M Renwick Servant F 17 1854 Flintshire
MORRIS, Eliza Anne Servant F 22 1849 Flintshire
ROBERTS, Elizabeth Servant F 15 1856 Denbighshire
>>>GLOVER, Lavinia Servant F 28 1843 Middlesex (it says London)

it's a household of milliners and dressmakers

That would be interesting if it is the right Lavinia - no known connections with N Wales, but there is a drapery connection as her father Thomas became a draper in London when he stopped being a master mariner in Devon and South Wales! Hmm!

There is a connection to Wales as Tempest has found and then this

1851 Wales Census
about Emeline Glover
Name: Emeline Glover
Age: 1
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1850
Relation: Daughter
Father's name: Thomas Glover
Mother's name: Sarah Glover
Gender: Female
Where born: Appledore, Devon, England
Civil Parish or Township: Cardiff St Mary
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
Town: Cardiff
County/Island: Glamorgan
Country: Wales
Registration district: Cardiff
Sub-registration district: Cardiff
ED, institution, or vessel: 4j
Piece: 2455
Folio: 441
Page Number: 60
Household schedule number: 161
Household Members: Name Age
William Randell 30
Mary Randell 25
Elizabeth Randell 6 MO
Elizabeth Glover 27
Thomas Glover 35
Sarah Glover 33
Herbert I Glover 10
Emeline Glover 1

Yes, I know about the South Wales connection - all my assorted Devon mariners seem to turn up in Cardiff and/or Swansea sooner or later! But I don't know of any connection with North Wales, and if it is the right Lavinia in Denbigh, her place of birth is wrong. Mind you, I have come across wrong birthplaces on other censuses, so they're not always right! :-S

Updating Lavinia Glover.

I finally got her father's death certificate - Herbert Ebenezer Glover, died 23 Nov 1905 Cardiff, death notified by sister L. Hoare of 37 Alexander Terrace, Swansea, present at death. I have now found Lavinia Hoare, born c1844 Appledore, Devon with husband Henry Hoare, tailor, born Landkey, Devon circa 1841 - they are in Swansea in 1881, 1891 and 1901, and FreeBMD has a death for Lavinia Hoare in 1909 Cardiff, aged 64. But I still can't find their marriage. She was unmarried in 1863 when she witnessed Herbert's marriage in Swansea register Office. Any ideas please? Thanks.

I've now found son Thomas Henry G Hoare born March quarter 1871 Newport, Monmouthshire, so that narrows the marriage down to 1864 to 1870 (1864 because she was Lavinia Glover on 20 Dec 1863 when she witnessed her brother's marriage.)

Marriages Dec 1865 (>99%)
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>>>>Glover Lavinia Bideford 5b 976
Grigg Louisa Bideford 5b 976
>>>>Hoar Henry Bideford 5b 976
Pickard Giles George Bideford 5b 976

Thank you!!! Wonder why it didn't show up when I searched? One of those mysteries! :-)