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edwin hollins and Hannah nee ???

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costa

costa Report 5 Sep 2011 21:05

Hi All,

This is a big ask but I will try and make it not too long winded. I am trying to find a link between this family and mine.

I have found Edwin Hollins born c1853 Birmingham with his wife Hannah nee ?? born East India living with children all born,birmingham

sarah A c1878 Elizabeth c1880 Ada c1882 Edward c1889 Ellen c1890 Beatricec1895,

The probelm is I have found them in the 1891 census living in Birmingham but have been unable to find a marriage for them or them in 1881 and

In 1901 it looks like Hannah remarried to George T Baker in 1898 as I have found them living in Birmingham.

Her first husband Edwins occupation was a labourer and her second husband was a coal wharf labourer any one got ideas how to find Hannah's first marriage so can get her maiden name and parents and also Edwin's parents I have been trying for weeks now and can not get anywhere.

Any advice and help much appreciated.
Kind regards costa

patchem

patchem Report 5 Sep 2011 21:08

Her maiden name should be on the children's birth certificates...............

?
Births Dec 1894
Hollins Beatrice Birmingham 6d 119

costa

costa Report 5 Sep 2011 21:11

Hi Patchem

I have been trying to find out if there is any link between my family and these before I order cert's.

Thank you I will if I can not find anymore info on them

Costa

alviegal

alviegal Report 5 Sep 2011 21:19

1891 for reference.

HOLLINS, Edwin Head Married M 33 1858 Labourer
Birmingham
Warwickshire VIEW
HOLLINS, Hanna Wife Married F 33 1858 Stamper
India British Subject VIEW
HOLLINS, Sarah A Daughter F 13 1878 Press Worker
Birmingham
Warwickshire VIEW
HOLLINS, Elizabeth Daughter F 11 1880 Scholar
Birmingham
Warwickshire VIEW
HOLLINS, Ada Daughter F 4 1887 Scholar
Birmingham
Warwickshire VIEW
HOLLINS, Edward Son M 2 1889
Birmingham
Warwickshire VIEW
HOLLINS, Ellen Daughter F 1 1890
Birmingham
Warwickshire VIEW
RG number:
RG12 Piece:
2432 Folio:
5 Page:
4

Registration District:
Aston Sub District:
Aston Manor Enumeration District:
26 Ecclesiastical Parish:
St Mary

Civil Parish:
Aston Municipal Borough:
Address:
14 Court 7 House, High Street, Aston, Aston Manor County:
Warwickshire

costa

costa Report 5 Sep 2011 21:22

Hi Alviegal

Yes that is the family you have put up for reference.

Thank you Costa

jansmith

jansmith Report 5 Sep 2011 21:45

wondering about this 1881 page possible children but wrong parents names
Name: Sarah Ann Hollins
Age: 23
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1858
Relation: Lodger Wife (Lodger's Wife)
Spouse's Name: Edward Hollins
Gender: Female
Where born: Bham
Civil parish: Birmingham
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England
Street Address: Court No Number House 4 Brearley St
Condition as to marriage: Married


Name: Edward Hollins
Age: 24
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1857
Relation: Lodger
Spouse's Name: Sarah Ann Hollins
Gender: Male
Where born: Bham
Civil parish: Birmingham
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England
Street Address: Court No Number House 4 Brearley St
Condition as to marriage: Married

Occupation: Labourer

Name: Sarah Ann Hollins
Age: 4
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1877
Relation: Lodger Daughter (Lodger's Daughter)
Father's Name: Edward Hollins
Mother's Name: Sarah Ann Hollins
Gender: Female

Name: Elizabeth Hollins
Age: 1
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1880
Relation: Lodger Daughter (Lodger's Daughter)
Father's Name: Edward Hollins
Mother's Name: Sarah Ann Hollins
Gender: Female
Where born: Bham

Name: Mary Ann Hollins
Relation: Lodger Daughter (Lodger's Daughter)
Gender: Female
Where born: Bham

Have not looked to see if they are on 1891 census

But could this be their marriage?
Thomas Foster Oct-Nov-Dec 1872 Birmingham Warwickshire **Sarah Ann Griffiths
** Edwin Hollins Oct-Nov-Dec 1872 Birmingham Warwickshire
Mary Maria Meese

jansmith

jansmith Report 5 Sep 2011 21:47

Mary Ann died
Name: Mary Ann Hollins
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1881
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1882
Age at Death: 1
Registration district: Birmingham
Inferred County: Warwickshire
Volume: 6d
Page: 78

chrissiex

chrissiex Report 5 Sep 2011 21:50

what connection are you thinking with your own family ?

if it is through Edwin is it not a good idea to identify him definitely with his birth family ?

you have a 'c' birth date for him, have you searched for his birth at freebmd ?

Edwin and Edward and also Edmond/Edmund were often treated as interchangeable and people with one name could be found as another in censuses

in fact

Births Dec 1856
Hollins Edward Birmingham 6d 129

seems to be him

have you found him in the 1861 or 1871 census ?

if this would not help with answering your question there is no point in one of us doing those searches and posting the information here but since we don't really know what the question is ... :-)

costa

costa Report 5 Sep 2011 21:51

Hi Jansmith

Edwin Hollins married a Hannah a their daughter was named Sarah Ann so not sure if that is the correct one

Thanks for your input much appreciated I have been looking for weeks now and can not find a marriage.

Kind regards Costa

costa

costa Report 5 Sep 2011 21:57

Hi Chrissiex,

I think it is the Hollins side of my family yes I have looked at births for Edwin Hollins but there is alot of them so too many to go on also Hannah's second marriage to george baker I also have Baker's in my tree it was just that I was told awhile ago that one family member had married a lady from India and when I found this that is why I have been looking into it.
I think I will go for the child's birth cert and see Hannah's maiden name.

Kind regards costa

costa

costa Report 5 Sep 2011 22:00

Hi Chrissiex.

Sorry I pressed submit before I had finished I have not found them on the 1881 or 1871 census as yet.

Kind regards Costa

chrissiex

chrissiex Report 5 Sep 2011 22:04

I think the family Jan posted is almost certainly them and Edwin/Edward very probably did not marry Hannah ...

why do you think the Edward Hollins birth I posted is not this Edward ? I did not see -any- Edwin Hollins births 1855-1860 except one in Chorlton

why not just tell us what the connection you are trying to establish is ?

to -whom- are you trying to connect this Edwin Hollins ?

blind searching like this isn't really productive for anyone !


this would be the one whose birth I posted, in 1871

Name: Edward Hollins
Age: 14
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1857
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Richard Hollins
Mother's Name: Harriet Hollins
Gender: Male
Where born: Birmingham, Warwickshire, England

Civil parish: Birmingham

Richard Hollins 40
Harriet Hollins 38
William Hollins 21
Mary A Hollins 16
Edward Hollins 14
Richard Hollins 11
Thomas Hollins 6
Harriet Hollins 4
Alfred Hollins 2


it would be a mistake to place too much weight on the Edwin / Edward difference !

my grandfather lived his life as Edward and discovered when he retired that his name was Edmund
:-)

costa

costa Report 5 Sep 2011 22:11

Hi Chrissiex

The family that alviegal posted with Hannah as edwins wife and Hannah was born in India and she was a Bristish subject this was the family I am looking for.
I will order a birth certificate for Beatrice Hollins and see what her maiden name was then come back with more information as it is like a needle in a haysack at the moment.

Thank you everyone for your input tonight and I will come back to this thread when I have more details

Kind regards Costa

chrissiex

chrissiex Report 5 Sep 2011 22:13

btw I think this is the more likely possible marriage for the couple in 1878 ( since wife Sarah Ann was born c1858 )

Marriages Jun 1878
HEMBROUGH Robert Birmingham 6d 207
? HOLLINS Edward Birmingham 6d 207
? JONES Sarah Ann Birmingham 6d 207
Wright Elizabeth Birmingham 6d 207

costa

costa Report 5 Sep 2011 22:16

Hi Chrissiex,

I will order that marriage cert aswell.

Thanks again Costa :-)

WILLIAM

WILLIAM Report 23 Jan 2013 13:01

Hello Costa, We are researching the same family, Beatrice Hollins was my Grandmother who died 3rd January 1966. Throughout her life she used Florence as her first name , my mother who is still alive at 87 remembers her grandmother whose complexion she described as dark. We are probably researching the same family, if the administrators were to allow contact with each other then we would possibly have information that would be useful to each other.
Regards Bill

jansmith

jansmith Report 23 Jan 2013 14:04

William as this post was 2011 you can send a message to Costa by clicking on her name you will open a message box if she is still a member see will get your message hope that helps

costa

costa Report 1 Feb 2013 20:20

Hi William

I have sent you a PM

Kind regards Costa