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ISAAC PORTEUS - MORE HELP REQUIRED PLEASE ;-)

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Joanne

Joanne Report 14 Sep 2011 12:15

Hi,

After some advice if anyone can help. I am looking for birth information on Isaac Porteus who married Paley in Auckland in 1924 and went on to have children who I have the birth certificates for and has confirmed the father as being Isaac Porteus. I have found the mothers birth details who was born in 1905, but there are no birth records for Isaac within a 15 year period of Paleys birth date, could this be due to a overseas birth?? Or is there an area of research I am missing. I have thought about looking at Death records, but I have no idea when this would have been other than that he was living in the Chesterfield area after he had his children and was a Coal Miner. I have no information on his parents so can't search it that way.

I would be pleased for any help anyone can give me. Many thanks

Catherine

Catherine Report 14 Sep 2011 12:17

for ref:-

Marriages Sep 1924 (>99%)
Paley Hilda Porteous Auckland 10a 518
Porteous Isaac Paley Auckland 10a 518

jansmith

jansmith Report 14 Sep 2011 12:18

?? possible death index
Name: Isaac Porteus
Birth Date: abt 1902
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1960
Age at Death: 58
Registration district: Shardlow
Inferred County: Derbyshire
Volume: 3a
Page: 393

Catherine

Catherine Report 14 Sep 2011 12:18

I know this is too old, but maybe a link:-

Births Sep 1844 (>99%)
Portcous Isaac Hudson Sunderland 24 321

jansmith

jansmith Report 14 Sep 2011 12:21

?/1911 census

Reg. District: Auckland Sub District: Bishop Auckland
Parish: Coundon Enum. District: 22
Address: Silver Street Coundon Bp Auckland
County: Durham

Name Relation Condition/
Yrs married Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation Where Born
O BRIEN, Elizabeth Head Widow F 55 1856 Farm Work Durham Leasingthorn
PORTEOUS, Cathrine Visitor Widow Widow F 50 1861 Farm Work Durham Leasingthorn
PORTEOUS, Elizabeth Visitor Daughter Single F 16 1895 Farm Work Durham Coundon
PORTEOUS, Isaac Visitor Son M 10 1901 School Durham Coundon

Catherine

Catherine Report 14 Sep 2011 12:21

Other births????

Births Mar 1855 (>99%)
Porteous Isaac Ritchie Birmingham 6d 30

Births Mar 1889 (>99%)
Porteious Isaac Thompson Cockermouth 10b 512

If you buy the marriage cert. then that will give you his age (so you can work out his date of birth) and his address at the time of marriage. It will also give you his father's name and occupation which may help find him on 1911 census.

Joanne

Joanne Report 14 Sep 2011 12:44

Thank you all so much , there are definately some leads here that are worth following up and I will order the marriage certificate. One thing I have found with the name "PORTEUS" is that is can be spelt in a number of ways. I know I have got the correct spelling from the certificates, but on one they have spelt it with an "O" and then crossed it out, could it be that it its spelt differently on some of the records and that maybe I should search under a variety of spellings? Does this happen on records very often?

Thank you all very much for your help it is most appreciated!! :-)

safc

safc Report 14 Sep 2011 12:45

Name: Isaac Porteus
Gender: Male
Baptism/Christening Date: 28 Nov 1901
Baptism/Christening Place: Bishop-Auckland, St. Wilfrid, Durham, England
Birth Date:
Birthplace:
Death Date:
Name Note:
Race:
Father's Name:
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Catharinae Porteus
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: I05646-2
System Origin: England-EASy
Source Film Number: 2082475
Reference Number:

jansmith

jansmith Report 14 Sep 2011 12:48

yes you will find perhaps lots of spellings!
I have the Warboys surname and have just gone to the villiage of my 1841 census only to find there isn't one record of Warboys they are all Worboys so someome read an O for a A at some point in my line

Catherine

Catherine Report 14 Sep 2011 12:49

Spellings are only as good as the clerk, who took the details, could spell. Always look at other forms of spelling with surnames and christian names.

The christening record for Isaac does not show a father's name, so could be that Catherine never married and just noted herself as Widow to avoid the scandal.

Potty

Potty Report 14 Sep 2011 13:02

Look out for mistranscriptions of the beginning of the name as well. I have a name in my tree that begins with a P and it has been transcribed as beginning with a B and a V!

Sometimes it is better to search without a surname, just using first names and YOB and POB.

Potty

Potty Report 14 Sep 2011 13:12

Could this be Catherine's parents (all the children are listed as grand-children, b Newcastle); not sure what the wife's name is - very difficult to read:

1901 England Census
about Isaac Porteous
Name: Isaac Porteous
Age: 40
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1861
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Earnest Porteous
Gender: Male
Where born: Ireland

Civil parish: Elswick
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary the Virgin
County/Island: Durham
Country: England
Isaac Porteous 40
Earnest Porteous 49 bScotland
Sarah Bowran 11 - could be Bowman
Jenett Bowran 10
Margt Bowran 4
Dorothy A Bowran 3

Edit - just realised Isaac couldn't be her father - he was born the same year!

jansmith

jansmith Report 14 Sep 2011 20:59

Again only mothers name on this one
name: Elizabetha Porteus
gender: Female
baptism/christening date: 26 Aug 1895
baptism/christening place: Bishop-Auckland, St. Wilfrid, Durham, England
birth date:
birthplace:
death date:
name note:
race:
father's name:
father's birthplace:
father's age:
mother's name: Catherinae Porteus
mother's birthplace:
mother's age:
indexing project (batch) number: I05646-2
system origin: England-EASy
source film number: 2082475

Catherine

Catherine Report 14 Sep 2011 21:32

Wonder if this is Catherine in 1871???

Name: Catherine Portens
Age: 13
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1858
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Isaac Pretews
Mother's Name: Catherine Pretews
Gender: Female
Where born: Middleton, Durham, England
Civil parish: Shildon
Ecclesiastical parish: Old Shildon
Town: Old Shildon
County/Island: Durham
Country: England
Registration district: Auckland
Sub-registration district: Bishop Auckland
ED, institution, or vessel: 19
Household schedule number: 51
Piece: 4928
Folio: 42
Page Number: 11
Household Members:
Name Age
Isaac Pretews 36 born: West Hartlepool, Durham - Coal Miner
Catherine Pretews 36
Mary Ann Portens 16
Elizabeth Portens 15
Ellen Portens 13
Catherine Portens 13
John James Portens 6

(names on the original does look like Porteus)
Correction for Isaac shows:-
[Isaac Porteus]

Deaths Sep 1872 (>99%)
Porteus John James 8 Auckland 10a 128

...........sometimes an illegitamate child's mother, gave their father's name as the child's father's name on official documents, and here it looks as though she named her son after her own father. But that's just a theory.

jax

jax Report 14 Sep 2011 21:41

The name Porteous comes from Scotland, but like many names that were unusual they ended up being spelt different and some stayed that way

jax

Catherine

Catherine Report 14 Sep 2011 21:58

Same family in 1861:-

Name: Isaac Porteus
Age: 27
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1834
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Cathe Porteus
Gender: Male
Where born: Stockton

Civil parish: Middlestone
Ecclesiastical parish: Coundon
County/Island: Durham
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Registration district: Auckland
Sub-registration district: Bishop Auckland
ED, institution, or vessel: 24
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 9
Piece: 3709
Folio: 84
Page Number: 3
Household Members:
Name Age
Isaac Porteus 27
Cathe Porteus 29 born: Ireland
Mary Porteus 6
Eliz Porteus 5
Helen Porteus 3
Cathe Porteus 6 MO
Bridge Eagan 72 - Mother in law born: Ireland
Jas Eagan 33 - son - born: Ireland

Catherine

Catherine Report 14 Sep 2011 22:07

............and 1851 just in case it's the correct one?

Name: Isaac Partens
[Isaac Porteus]
Age: 16
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1835
Relation: Son-in-Law
Gender: M (Male)
Where born: Greatham, Durham, England

Civil parish: Great Chilton
Ecclesiastical parish: Ferry Hill
County/Island: Durham
Country: England

Street Address:

Registration district: Stockton
Sub-registration district: Hartlepool
ED, institution, or vessel: 23
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 1
Piece: 2384
Page Number: 1
Household Members:
Name Age
George Maver 50 born: Stranton, Durham
Ann Maver 46 born: Femsley, Yorkshire
George Maver 19
Isaac Partens 16
Hannah Pavtons 13 - Daughter in Law (born: Stranton, Durham)
Robert Waver 7
Thomason Ward 6
Eliza Ceth Ward 3

........maybe you could keep this on file until it can be proven.


Reg.Dist. is Stockton, so possible marriage:-
Marriages Mar 1838 (>99%)
Dixon George Stockton &c. 24 153
Franklin John Henry Stockton 24 153
<<<< Portas Ann Stockton on Tees 24 153
Taylerson Elizabeth Stockton 24 153
Taylorson Ann Stockton 24 153
<<<< Ward George Stockton On Tees 24 153


1841 Isaac and Hannah have the name of Ward.:-
Name: Isaac Ward
Age: 6
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1835
Gender: Male
Where born: Durham, England

Civil parish: Hartlepool
Hundred: Stockton (North East Division)
County/Island: Durham
Country: England

Registration district: Stockton and Sedgefield
Sub-registration district: Hartlepool
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 315
Book: 21
Folio: 21
Page Number: 36
Household Members:
Name Age
George Ward 40
Ann Ward 30
Ann Ward 14
Jane Ward 12
George Ward 11
John Ward 10
Isaac Ward 6
Hannah Ward 4

Joanne

Joanne Report 15 Sep 2011 19:05

Wow thank you all so much, lots to look into, ill let you know how I get on! :-)

Kim

Kim Report 15 Sep 2011 21:50

Looks like Elizabeth O'Brien was Catherine Porteous' sister:

Mar 1881 vol 10a pg 271
Elizabeth Porteous on the same page as James O'Brien

All seems to suggest that Catherine was not married.

Best wishes

Kim

Joanne

Joanne Report 7 Aug 2012 17:36

Thanks everyone, I have confirmed much of the information I was given. I agree that it is likely Cathrine did not marry and gave her chidren her fathers name. I have managed to obtain Isaac Porteus (this is the correct spelling on death certificate) death certificate, he died in 1960 aged 58 years and this confirms the year he was born as 1901-1902 which ties in with the census information you supplied. Based on this information I applied to the GRO for the birth certificate but they can't find a record and have sent me a refund. I am still unable to track down a birth record either, is it possible he may have been born under a different name?

This has got me stumped! Would be pleased for any advice or is the only option to order Isaac's marriage certificate, I have a feeling this will just confirm the year of birth that I have and may not contain a fathers name....would this information be mandatory?

Could it be that Isaac Porteus were adopted?? Not sure this is a possibility as him and his sister Elizabeth were both christened Porteus soon after their birth, I just can't understand why I can't find a birth record for Isaac, yet I can easily find one for the sister Elizabeth.

Kind regards to all ;-)