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how to find name of dead husband.

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Reggie

Reggie Report 18 Oct 2013 16:24

1891 census for the address given by both parties when they marriaed

1891 census

Address: 5, Melbourne Place, Hulme, Manchester

152 KAY, John W Head Married M 29 1862 Cabinet Maker
Manchester, Lancashire VIEW
152 KAY, Anne Wife Married F 31 1860
Manchester, Lancashire VIEW
152 KAY, Albert Son M 5 1886
Manchester, Lancashire VIEW
152 KAY, Frederick Son M 2 1889
Manchester, Lancashire VIEW
152 KAY, George H Son M 0 1891
Manchester, Lancashire

Reggie

Reggie Report 18 Oct 2013 16:15

Marriage: 29 Aug 1891 St Stephen, Hulme, Lancashire, England
John Morris - 32, Bolt maker, Bachelor, 5 Melbourne Place
Belinda Fox - (X), 32, Cop winder, Spinster, 5 Melbourne Place
Groom's Father: John Morris, deceased, Labourer
Bride's Father: John Fox, deceased, Labourer
Witness: John Brown; Jane Delmer, (X)
Married by Banns by: Thomas H. Taylor
Register: Marriages 1889 - 1896, Page 77, Entry 153
Source: LDS Film 2357334

lancashireAnn

lancashireAnn Report 2 Nov 2011 15:27

just had a trawl through Hulme St George baptisms in the hope I could find John.

If any one need details of a baptism at that church they are full of info - parents names including mmn and when & where they were married!

lancashireAnn

lancashireAnn Report 2 Nov 2011 14:15

see above post

if you look up the marriage between John Morris and Belinda Fox on familysearch John is described as 'single' not a widower.

Also on 1911 Belinda states she has 3 living children which makes it seem as all 3 were hers - 2 before marriage ? or are we on the wrong Belinda

The best way to find out who the children's mother was would be to buy one of their birth certificates.

Maria

Maria Report 2 Nov 2011 13:56

i seem to have been posting my thanks and replys to the wrong place so please forgive me. thanks to everyone for their help. i noiw have to decide if john morris was married before and then widowed. i suppose men had no choice but to find another mother for their children. he then had a third child with his new wife belinda fox. however i can find no marriages as i dont know where john was born or when.

thank you all again for your help.
regards maria

lancashireAnn

lancashireAnn Report 1 Nov 2011 15:44

on family search both are described as single, John's father John Morris, Belinda's John Fox

Flick

Flick Report 1 Nov 2011 15:30

Could it be that John had been married before, and that the two older children were not Belinda's?

Flick

Flick Report 1 Nov 2011 15:28

Lancsbmd confirms that Belinda Fox m. John Morris

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1891
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
FOX Belinda MORRIS John Manchester, Hulme, St. Stephen Manchester 72/3/153

Flick

Flick Report 1 Nov 2011 15:26

Suggestion................based ONLY on age and residential parish

1871

Name: Belinda Barton
Age: 10
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1861
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: William Barton
Gender: Female
Where born: Manchester, Lancashire, England
Civil parish: Hulme
Ecclesiastical parish: St George
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Registration district: Chorlton
Sub-registration district: Hulme
ED, institution, or vessel: 40
Household schedule number: 170
Piece: 4001
Folio: 18
Page Number: 29
Household Members: Name Age
William Barton 47
Maria L Barton 22
Henry Barton 16
Belinda Barton 10

No...........scrub that idea

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1886
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
BARTON Belinda CLARKSON Leonard Manchester, Whalley Range, St. Edmund Manchester 110/1/107

Flick

Flick Report 1 Nov 2011 15:01

If she was actually married, her death cert should say 'widow of'..............and name her husband

Unfortunately, Lancsbmd have not yet add the MMN to the births of Belinda's children

brummiejan

brummiejan Report 1 Nov 2011 14:30

It seems 'Ettie' is Amelia (the ages have also been messed up!). Have sent all relevant changes to FMP.

Also have advised Maria how to post back on here and delete unwanted thread. It seems she has ticked 'completed' option in error!

Jan

brummiejan

brummiejan Report 1 Nov 2011 14:17

PM

i have found belinda morris with various dates of birth from 1857 on her death date. 1934 states age 77. to the varoius ages on the census. also she states she had 4 children on the 1911 census one died. so she could have lost her 1st born. That suggests she could have married earlier.

Margee

Margee Report 1 Nov 2011 14:16

Duplicate:

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards.page/board/ancestors/thread/1284590

brummiejan

brummiejan Report 1 Nov 2011 14:12

Re. 1911 - Ettie is the pin winder and 'Jhon' 19 is the engine cleaner! i think the transciber had one over the eight that day.
jan

brummiejan

brummiejan Report 1 Nov 2011 14:07

1911 for completeness!

MORRIS, Belindda Mother Widow F 54 1857 Hulme Manchester VIEW
MORRIS, Joseph Son Single M 27 1884 Iron Turner Hulme Manchester VIEW
MORRIS, Joseph Son Single M 27 1884 Pin Minder Hulme Manchester VIEW
MORRIS, Ettie Son Single M 19 1892 Engine Cleaner Hulme Manchester VIEW
RG number:
RG14 Piece:
24051 Reference:
RG14PN24051 RG78PN1384 RD465 SD4 ED8 SN98

Registration District:
Salford Sub District:
Regent Road Enumeration District:
8 Parish:
Salford

Address:
77 Robert Hall St Salford County:
Lancashire

Andrew

Andrew Report 1 Nov 2011 14:04

Poss birth Amelia

Births Dec 1886 (>99%)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Morris Amelia Manchester 8d 252


Andy

brummiejan

brummiejan Report 1 Nov 2011 14:01

I think you need to track down birth/marriage of one of the children. I did try a random search for a Morris possibly married to a Belinda and found just this:

Marriages Sep 1891 (>99%)
Berodine William Albert Chorlton 8c 1196
Fox Belinda Chorlton 8c 1196
Morris John Chorlton 8c 1196

I can't locate belinda Fox however so not much use in any case!

Jan

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brummiejan

brummiejan Report 1 Nov 2011 13:53

Just to place them:

1901 England Census

Name: Belinda Morris
Age: 39
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1862
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Manchester, Lancashire, England

Civil parish: South Manchester
Ecclesiastical parish: Hulme St George
County/Island: Lancashire

Registration district: Chorlton
Sub-registration district: Hulme


Belinda Morris 39
Ameller Morris 15
Joseph Morris 17
John Morris 9

Maria

Maria Report 1 Nov 2011 13:31

I have found a relative"belinda morris" widow in the 1901 and 1911 census. with her 3 children.living in salford lancashire. . she is born about 1858/60 and died in 1934. her children joe 1884 amellar (amelia) born 1886 and john born 1892. however i cannt find her married or before her husband was dead. so i cannot confirm who he was. i have tried all kinds of trick with her christian name but to no avail. any suggestions please can you help :-S :-S