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patchem Report 8 May 2013 19:46

Welcome to the boards, Lindsey.

As you are looking for ancestors, you might be better advised to start your own thread.

If you want to know about Frederick Joseph's parents, have you found him in the censuses, and got his marriage and birth certificates?

Have you also tried to contact June to see what information she has got?


Lindsey Report 6 May 2013 22:21

Frederick Joseph Bown born 1858 Derby, married Catherine born apx 1877, Wallsend. Living Greenwich 1901, 13 Selcroft Road, two children Frederick born 1898 and Lily Gertrude1900. Went on to have further children, Geroge Thomas 1905-1971, Arthur, Constance (Connie) and lastly Joseph Humphrey born 1912 died 1995, born in Salford on 18th Feb 1912, living 21 Park Place. believe Frederick Joseph died from industrial injury around 1912. Catherine then moved to Newscastle South Shields area before moving to Surrey in 1930's following her elder son Frederick. She died mid 50's. Her son Frederick died in 1980, marrying late and having one daughter in 1950... who is me! Would love to know more detail of Frederick Joseph's parents and further back.. Lily Gertrude moved to southern Ireland and had two daughters I believe, Connie had two sons and a daughter and lived by coast in Essex towards the end of her life. Joseph had 4 or 5 children I believe and lived in Dorking in Surrey during 50's. I know nothing of either George or Arthur's families. :-)


GlitterBaby Report 3 Nov 2011 15:12

I typed the address wrong - used to live near Westcott - but I did check Westcourt St

Still waiting a response to the question about the occupation of Frederick on the birth cert


patchem Report 2 Nov 2011 23:07

Any relation?
Births Mar 1912
Bown Joseph H Philips Salford 8d 224

I think I am waiting for Frederick's occupation from son's birth certificate.


GlitterBaby Report 2 Nov 2011 22:53

Really strange if you look at the 1901 census I posted it cross references to Catherine L Philip on 1881 census

1901 has Catherine born Wallsend,Northumberland

Name: Catherine L. Philip
Age: 3
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1878
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Robert Philip
Mother's Name: Sarah A. Philip
Gender: Female
Where born: Wallsend, Northumberland, England

Civil parish: Wallsend
County/Island: Northumberland
Country: England

Street Address: 14 Clyde St

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Tynemouth
Sub-registration district: Wallsend
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 5071
Folio: 109
Page Number: 92
Household Members: Name Age
Robert Philip 26
Sarah A. Philip 25
Catherine L. Philip 3

Still not found a marriage

Births Dec 1877 (>99%)

PHILIP Catherine Lily Tynemouth 10b 147

Is this a red herring ?


patchem Report 2 Nov 2011 22:39

Deaths Dec 1910
Bown Frederick J 41 Edmonton 3a 285

Catherine L Bown
Birth Date: abt 1877
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1960
Age at Death: 83
Registration district: Ealing
Inferred County: Middlesex
Volume: 5e
Page: 8


GlitterBaby Report 2 Nov 2011 22:34

Or not

1901 ?
Name: Frederick Bown
Age: 40
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1861
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Catherine Bown
Gender: Male
Where born: Nk, Derbyshire, England

Civil parish: Greenwich
Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address:


Condition as to marriage:


Employment status: View image

Registration district: Greenwich
Sub-registration district: Greenwich East
ED, institution, or vessel: 21
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 174
Piece: 542
Folio: 98
Page Number: 27
Household Members: Name Age
Frederick Bown 40
Catherine Bown 24
Frederick Bown 2
Lily G Bown 4 Months

Two families with similar names


GlitterBaby Report 2 Nov 2011 22:32

This baptism could match the 1911

Name: Lily Gertrude Bown
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1901
Baptism Date: 3 Jan 1901
Father's Name: Frederick Joseph Bown
Mother's Name: Katherine Lily Bown
Parish or Poor Law Union: Greenwich, East Christ Church
Borough: Greenwich


patchem Report 2 Nov 2011 22:29

A Frederick and Catherine in 1911
What was Frederick's profession n the birth certificate?
BOWN, Frederick Head Married 20 years M 39 1872 Cabinet Maker London Islington
BOWN, Catherine Wife Married F 40 1871 London Shoreditch
BOWN, Edward Son Single M 14 1897 Upholster London Islington
BOWN, John Son Single M 15 1896 Cabinet Maker London Islington
BOWN, Grace Daughter F 8 1903 London Islington
BOWN, Edith Daughter F 5 1906 London Islington

RG number: RG14 Piece: 921 Reference: RG14PN921 RG78PN32 RD10 SD6 ED19 SN113
Registration District: Islington Sub District: Islington South East Enumeration District: 19 Parish: Islington
Address: 36 Canonbury Dwellings Canonbury Lonodn N County:

have you found Frederick and Catherine's marriage?


AnnCardiff Report 2 Nov 2011 22:27


name: Catherine L Bown
event: Census
event date: 31 Mar 1901
gender: Female
age: 24
relationship to head of household: Wife
birthplace: Wallsend, Northumberland
record type: Household
registration district: Greenwich
sub-district: Greenwich East
ecclesiastical parish: Christ Church
civil parish: Greenwich
county: London, Middlesex


AnnCardiff Report 2 Nov 2011 22:26

probably not but just in case!!!

Catherine Lilian Bown
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
spouse: Frederick Bown
child: Frederick Bown

name: Frederick Bown
gender: Male
baptism/christening date: 18 Jan 1899
baptism/christening place: St. Aidan, Benwell, Northumberland, England
father's name: Frederick Bown
mother's name: Catherine Lilian Bown
indexing project (batch) number: C00859-8
system origin: England-EASy
source film number: 1564654


GlitterBaby Report 2 Nov 2011 22:25

Not at 48 Westcott ST in 1911 - McBride family living there


+++DetEcTive+++ Report 2 Nov 2011 22:24

What was Frederick's occupation on the BC? Was it a job which would make it likely for them/him to move around the country?

We are trying to tie him in to a geographical area, as well as the marriage. Then we can start looking in the right areas for relatives.


AnnCardiff Report 2 Nov 2011 22:23


parents: George H Bown,? Zilliah C Bown

name: Frederick J Bown
age: 12
gender: Male
birth year: 1869
birthplace: London, Middlesex, England
relationship to head of household: Son
marital condition: Single
profession/occupation: Scholar
address: Cardington Villas 18 Upper Park Road
census place: Edmonton, Middlesex, England
record type: Household
family history library film: 1341339
the national archives reference: RG11
piece/folio: 1391 / 66
page number: 35


June Report 2 Nov 2011 21:58

I have a birth certificate for George Thomas Bown 9/10/1905 showing father Frederick and Catherine at the Brompton address:
I have also seen the Derbyshire entry 1901 census showing 2 children but I can't tie them up with George as wasn't born until 1905.
Cannot find any of them on the 1911 census.
I have sent a message to the Derbyshire person, no response as yet
I have not tried your first suggestion, will give it a go
June Bown


MarieCeleste Report 2 Nov 2011 21:05

June - you can search for their children for free on FreeBMD -

How old would they have been in 1905 - what was the occasion?

Have you found them on 1911 census?

Have you used the Search Trees facility to see if anyone else has them? (There is someone has a person of that name, born 1848 in Derbyshire).


June Report 2 Nov 2011 20:54

I am looking for descendants of Frederick Joseph Bown, married to Catherine Lilian Bown nee Phillips,
Their address in 1905 was 48 Westcourt Street, Old Brompton Chatham.
June Bown.