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Enie D N Forder

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chrissiex

chrissiex Report 4 Dec 2011 18:45

I'm hoping people did see the info from Nova Scotia records that I posted

the 1939 declaration of the 1864 birth for one of the brothers is quite useful I think, for the names of the parents and the family bible the information was recorded in ... and showing that at least one of the brothers did return to Canada ... and all the people here at genesreunited and elsewhere who are descended from that family and have information about them

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 4 Dec 2011 18:49

I hope people notice too Chrissiex as it is always good to know where to find such detail. That's one of the things that I like about these boards - we can all learn sources and techniques from them.

As I said, this one has been a marvelous example of teamwork.

Lucy

Lucy Report 4 Dec 2011 20:05

I have got ruby gordons birth certificate I posted the details a few pages back her mother was ruby dorothy gordon formally carash and her father was dudley gordon a consulting engineer I have been up my nans sisters norma as she has got loads of documents and letters that mention cedric carashes death arrangments but we found a very intersting factor ruby listed her dad as dudley gordon on birth certicate in 1914 but on her marriage certificate her father was stephen gordon same occupation witness to their marriage was a cedric carash also ruby dorothy was a very wealthy lady and we had lots of letters addresed to ruby georgina from various places around the world as she married gustav de becker who was some sort of a count as in her titles she used baroness we also know that her mum emma and her dud not get on we she married mr caplin as the letters state emma was looked after by ruby georgina my nans mum as the letters always asked about her and appolgied for the relationship break down in any of the documents norma has not once
is a carash mentioned apart from cedric ruby dorothys brother they seemed to be very close the above informatiom has confused me as I am trying to put them in my family tree before contacting other people as I don't know what I'm asking for I have ordered ruby dorothys birth certificate we know the mother is emma just who the father is can I have a recap on the information above so I can fit them in everyone has helped me so much for a begineer it has been overwelming but brillaint to do thank you so much everyone for all the time and effort you have taken I can't begin to say how much I aperciate all the help thank you guys :-D

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 4 Dec 2011 20:14

If Ruby Georgina Gordon's birth certificate gives her father as Dudley that is more likely to be more truthful than the Stephen given on her marriage certificate.

There are only 4 Dudley Gordon's on the 1911 census. Perhaps someone could look them up. I have to say though that one of them definately has connections to Aberdeenshire. He is already married so that may explain why there is no Gordon / Carash marriage.

HOUSEHOLD GORDON DUDLEY A M 1894 17 Blean Kent
HOUSEHOLD GORDON DUDLEY GLADSTONE M 1884 27 Dartford Kent
HOUSEHOLD GORDON EDWARD DUDLEY M 1909 2 Greenwich London
HOUSEHOLD GORDON GEORGE DUDLEY M 1863 48 Lewes Sussex



EDIT just did the free seach again on the 1911 putting in occupation Engineer. The second one on the list above has an occupation that includes the word "Engineer"

There is a picture of that man here

http://thepeerage.com/p2483.htm#i24830


EDIT

There are no Stephen Gordons on the 1911 census with the word "Engineer" in his occupation.

Lucy

Lucy Report 4 Dec 2011 20:21

Dudley gladstone gordon poped up when I go
t that cenus as well we also thought that birth certificate would be more correct than marriage unless he chaned his forname by depot due to circumstances we don't know between ruby georgina ruby dorothy and emma georgina from readung the letters there was so much hurt especially when ruby dorothy married de becker all cared about cedric carash how he was he was very important in the family the letters were amazing they were from all round the world even during ww2 they were having a great time

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 4 Dec 2011 20:31

If you go to the link I have given you above it may explain why Ruby and Mr. Gordon didn't marry and she went on to marry elswhere. At least that will be one branch of your tree that won't need much research LOL.

You also see why, perhaps Enie would have been born in Aberdeenshire away from the bombings in London.

I don't think that Dudley would have changed his name by deed poll. He had too much to lose.



SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 4 Dec 2011 20:35

WOW


what a fantastic job you have all done since I last looked on here on Saturday afternoon.


Teamwork has worked wonders!


Congratulations everyone!!



sylvia

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 4 Dec 2011 20:41

Thank you Sylvia, yes great teamwork. I feel almost as excited as I did when I finally nailed my Grandfather in law's family. Not sure if OH was pleased or not to find his father had 7 half brothers and sisters he knew nothing about - and certainly his surviving aunt doesn't even want to admit that her father had been married twice. Ah, yes some of them just can't cover their tracks well enough LOL.

Lucy

Lucy Report 4 Dec 2011 20:47

Enie was born in scotland as her dad was in the raf in peterhead she was born in ellow they were since 1941 as we have letters from ruby dorothy to them xx

Lucy

Lucy Report 4 Dec 2011 20:50

Very strang why he would use stephen as his name and not dudley though?

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 4 Dec 2011 21:03

Lucy, if you had told us about this thread it would have given us a good start.

http://www.genesreunited.co.nz/boards.page/board/ancestors/baker/thread/1230179?d=desc


Lucy, if you don't have a software programme to add your family tree to try this free one. It will let you printout clear trees and familygroup records and if you put the people that we have given you (on this thread) starting with yourself you should get a clearer picture of how it all fits together.


http://www.familysearch.org/eng/default.asp?page=home/welcome/simplePAFRegistration.asp


Lucy

Lucy Report 4 Dec 2011 21:18

That thread was done a year ago and far to much information made no sense to me. ... could I have a recap on all this recent information I don't know what to do with it or how it connects before I contact people I want to be abe to grasp it myself I don't want to confuse people I'm not on my laptop on my phone I will have the whole evening tomorrow to be on my laptop and do all the above contacting e.t.c :-D

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 4 Dec 2011 21:38

Personally Lucy, I would take a prinout of this thread (you are probably best to copy and paste it into a word document). Then I would type it into a software programme that would let me printout charts and familygroup records. Start with yourself then add you parents etc working backwards. I would do that before contacting anyone. That way you would have all the relevant names and event dates to hand. You will also be able to see the relationships more clearly.


EDIT

Enie birthplace is more likely to be Ellon in Aberdeenshire. I don't think that there is an Ellow.

Lucy

Lucy Report 4 Dec 2011 22:15

Sorry yer it is ellow one question where does all the micklewright come into it I have printed the thread at my nans sister house but just so much info today all of sudden are these,people from emma side related to her?

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 4 Dec 2011 22:46

Emma Georgina Sheffield's partner was Henry Thomas Micklewright. As he was already married to Jemima, he used his mother's maiden surname (Carash) as his surname to register some of the illegitimate children that he had with Emma.

That is to say that Ruby Georgina Carash's father was Henry Thomas Micklewright but was using the alias of Henry Thomas Carash because he already had a wife and family who he had deserted.

Emma and Henry's children are listed on the thread. The only 2 who lived to adulthood seem to be Ruby and her brother Cedric.

The best way to see it is to get a piece of paper and pencil and draw a rough tree.

Lucy

Lucy Report 4 Dec 2011 22:49

I looked at that link if dudley gadstone gordon I would have thought ruby and dydley his children would have been mentioned are we sure this is the right man ?

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 4 Dec 2011 22:53

Can't see many Dudley Gordon's around. Ruby and the children would not be mentioned as they never married. The only marriage for Ruby was the 1935 one and she married using the surname Carash. If she had been married to a Mr. Gordon she would have married using the surname Gordon?

Lucy

Lucy Report 4 Dec 2011 22:56

Brilliant thank you so much I can see it now no wonder it has been so hard for everyone to track people as lots of stuff was very secret well emma was a bit of girl from the letters not liked by ruby dorothy just my nans mum ruby georgina was left to look after her in her later life this is what I will do tomorrow evening thanks for this ill be on tomorrow evening if I don't reply I'm not being rude just got to work even though this is far more important ! :-)

Lucy

Lucy Report 4 Dec 2011 22:56

Brilliant thank you so much I can see it now no wonder it has been so hard for everyone to track people as lots of stuff was very secret well emma was a bit of girl from the letters not liked by ruby dorothy just my nans mum ruby georgina was left to look after her in her later life this is what I will do tomorrow evening thanks for this ill be on tomorrow evening if I don't reply I'm not being rude just got to work even though this is far more important ! :-)

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 4 Dec 2011 22:58

Sorry, internet connection playing up so I am signing off for tonight.

I will look back tomorrow to see what some of the other helpers think.