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Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it
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6 Dec 2011 15:13 |
you are welcome :-D
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Gillian
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6 Dec 2011 15:11 |
Thank you so much Shirley - much appreciated Gill
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Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it
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6 Dec 2011 15:01 |
John Smith is just a boarder he is single and a retired Army pensioner.born Cain ?? Gloucestershire
the baby is just listed as infant daur aged 5 hours so not named yet. would say the baby had arrived by the time the enumerator called so was added as the last entry
The address is just Long Street
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Gillian
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6 Dec 2011 14:31 |
Can anyone tell me please in the 1901 - Agnes Trotman census above
Who is John Smith - what relationship to the head of house??
Is the 5hour / 5 month daughter the daughter of Agnes - ( she already has a 1 & 2 yr old )
and Is there a street address please?
Many thanks
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1 Dec 2011 16:01 |
Marriages Jun 1893 Beard Robert Albert Dursley 6a 447 Beckerton Ellen Dursley 6a 447
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Name: Ellen Beard Age: 32 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1869 Relation: Wife Spouse's Name: Robert Beard Gender: Female Where born: Wotton Under Edge, Gloucestershire, England Civil parish: Cromhall Ecclesiastical parish: Cromhall Town: Cromhall Abbots County/Island: Gloucestershire Country: England Street Address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Education:
Employment status: View image Registration district: Thornbury Sub-registration district: Thornbury ED, institution, or vessel: 10 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 52 Piece: 2412 Folio: 109 Page Number: 8 Household Members: Name Age Robert Beard 37 Ellen Beard 32 Charles C Beard 6 Winnifred M Beard 4 Elsie M Beard 3 Lily Beard 1 Daughter
So not that Lily
Births Sep 1899 Beard Lily Thornbury 6a 263
Marriages Jun 1898 Beckerton Agnes Dursley 6a 450a TROTMAN George Alfred Dursley 6a 450a
Not with Agnes either
Name: Agnes A Trotman Age: 27 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1874 Relation: Wife Spouse's Name: George A Trotman Gender: Female Where born: Wotton Under Edge, Gloucestershire, England Civil parish: Dursley Ecclesiastical parish: Dursley St James and Woodmancote St Mark Town: Dursley County/Island: Gloucestershire Country: England Street Address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Education:
Employment status: View image Registration district: Dursley Sub-registration district: Dursley ED, institution, or vessel: 1 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 28 Piece: 2416 Folio: 6 Page Number: 4 Household Members: Name Age George A Trotman 26 Agnes A Trotman 27 George W Trotman 2 Victor V Trotman 1 John Smith 64 Infant Smith 5 Months <<< On image no surname given but says Daughter aged 5 hours.
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Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it
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1 Dec 2011 15:57 |
I wonder .but it can only be a ??, whether she was in fact with William and Sarah but they didnt give her details because of the different surnames. Mind you they could have listed her as a Beckerton !!
She certainly doesnt show up on a type of search
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Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it
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1 Dec 2011 15:53 |
Yes 4 separate listings
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1 Dec 2011 15:51 |
I think that if Ada was William's child she was more likely to be living with a relative in 1901 as opposed to the workhouse like Joseph's children. It may be that she is lurking in the 1901 with a different surname but I just can't see a possibility!
If this is William before he married Sarah then it looks like Ada was named for one of his sisters?
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Name: William Beckerton Age: 14 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1867 Relation: Son Father's Name: George Beckerton Mother's Name: Elizabeth Beckerton Gender: Male Where born: Wotton Under Edge, Gloucestershire, England Civil parish: Wotton Under Edge County/Island: Gloucestershire Country: England Street Address: Brickyard Education:
Employment status: View image Occupation: Ag Lab Registration district: Dursley Sub-registration district: Wotton Under Edge ED, institution, or vessel: 6 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 2518 Folio: 79 Page Number: 6 Household Members: Name Age George Beckerton 38 Elizabeth Beckerton 38 William Beckerton 14 Ellen Beckerton 12 Joseph Beckerton 10 Agnes Beckerton 8 James Beckerton 7 Ada Beckerton 4 John Beckerton 3
Have you looked for marriages for his sisters please? Have you found any of them in 1901 to see if Ada is there either as Ada or Lily?
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Gillian
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1 Dec 2011 15:44 |
Shirley - thank you SO much for looking -
I guess that Dyers Brook is a street then - and not just a house ( as I had thought )?? 4 houses in Dyers Brook ( street) - is that correct please?
Thanks again Gill
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Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it
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1 Dec 2011 15:43 |
I think its area rather than a particular house as they are separate households
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1 Dec 2011 15:41 |
took a bit to find
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 84 KNIGHT, Ann Head Widow F 78 1823 Kingswood Gloucestershire VIEW 84 DERRETT, Lewis Lodger Widower M 81 1820 Wotton U Edge Gloucestershire VIEW 84 ORCHARD, Louisa Lodger Single F 33 1868 Wotton U Edge Gloucestershire VIEW
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 85 PERRIN, Esther Head Single F 52 1849 Dressmaker Leighterton Gloucestershire VIEW
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 86 BAILEY, George Head Married M 45 1856 Labourer Wotton U Edge Gloucestershire VIEW 86 BAILEY, Elizabeth Wife Married F 46 1855 Laundress Wotton U Edge Gloucestershire VIEW
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 88 GAY, Sarah Head Widow F 65 1836 Innkeeper West Kington Wiltshire VIEW 88 ALLEN, William Grand Son Single M 16 1885 Fishmonger's Assistant Leicester Leicestershire VIEW
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- RG number: RG13 Piece: 2414 Folio: 29 Page: 13 Sub District: Wotton Under Edge Enumeration District: 2 Ecclesiastical Parish: St Mary the Virgin Municipal Borough: Address: Dyer's Brook, Ludgate Hill, Wotton Under Edge County: Gloucestershire
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Gillian
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1 Dec 2011 15:13 |
I have just had a thought
Is it possible please to find out who was living in Dyers Brook ( cottage / house) Wooton under Edge in 1901 census?
Ada lilys mum gave that as her address in 1900 when Ada was baptised
Many thanks
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Gillian
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1 Dec 2011 14:37 |
I think it is quite possible that she is in fact William Beckertons daughter - however, she was born Ada Lilly Workman and married as Ada Lilly Workman - father Joseph Workman deceased.
So - either she wasnt Williams daughter, but shown as such on the 1911 census ( whilst whe was school age )......and in fact her mother had had a relationship with someone uinknown after her husband, Joseph had died.
Or - she was in fact William Beckertons daughter - but her mother wasnt married to him until 2-3yrs after her birth - so leagally her name was still Workman ( she may have 're-invented' Joseph Workman )- her mothers 1st husband - just for the purpose of her wedding cert.........
I dont as yet know the answer. I'm afraid.
Still leaves the puzzle as to where she was in 1901 tho
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rootgatherer
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1 Dec 2011 14:30 |
On the 1911 she is recorded as William's daughter whereas Sarah's daughter from her marriage to Joseph is recorded as William's step daughter.
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Gillian
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1 Dec 2011 14:25 |
Yep - I have her birth cert and it gives no fathers name - so she was illigitimate.
I have no idea where she is in 1901. I know her mum and soon to be step-dad are in Alderley, W.u E. and her siblings are in the workhouse in Thornbury.
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1 Dec 2011 14:21 |
If this is Joseph's death and her is the father, then Sarah must have had a longer than normal pregnancy?
Deaths Jun 1897 Workman Joseph 38 Thornbury 6a 126
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Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it
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1 Dec 2011 14:19 |
she isnt listed sorry
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Gillian
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1 Dec 2011 14:17 |
your 1911 census is not MY Ada Workman...
The family were re-united somewhere between 1901 & 1911 and they end up in Pontypridd, S.Wales.
Adas mum married William Beckerton in 1902 and Ada hasthe name Ada Beckerton in 1911 census
However - when she marries in 1919 in W.U.E and gives her name as Ada Lilly Workman - father Joseph Workman deceased.
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Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it
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1 Dec 2011 14:16 |
so wrong census family posted will leave so others dont post the same ones.
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1 Dec 2011 14:15 |
same family 1901 WORKMAN, Alfred H Head Married M 26 1875 Oil Mills Pressman Higham Gloucestershire VIEW WORKMAN, Gertrude C Wife Married F 28 1873 Newent Gloucestershire VIEW WORKMAN, William G Son M 5 1896 St Lukes Gloucestershire VIEW WORKMAN, Christina J Daughter F 3 1898 St Lukes Gloucestershire VIEW WORKMAN, Ada E Daughter F 2 1899 St Lukes Gloucestershire VIEW WORKMAN, Nellie G Daughter F 0 (5 MOS) 1901 St Lukes Gloucestershire VIEW GOODYER, George Father-In-Law Married M 64 1837 Gen Lab Newent Gloucestershire VIEW GOODYER, Ann M Sister-In-Law Single F 18 1883 St Lukes Gloucestershire VIEW
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Piece: 2431 Folio: 200 Page: 34 Registration District: Gloucester Civil Parish: Gloucester Municipal Borough: Address: Seymour Road Tudor Street, Gloucester County: Gloucestershire
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