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Christina Kerr/McLellan more help needed!!

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Gins Report 27 Dec 2011 16:00

No spouse records for civil registration that I know of


Flip Report 27 Dec 2011 16:00

OK, she was the only Christina on the page, I'll get checking the 1901/11 census under all the surnames.

Thanks Gins & everyone else!

I'll swop a turkey soup for a quality street anyday!


Flip Report 27 Dec 2011 15:54

Elizabeth was married to Thomas Stitt, I've got them 1901/1911 census and they returned to Barrow in Furness c1915. Have traced them, but no sign of Christina.

I'll check out that marriage Gins - it is a possibility - don't they record spouses on Irish records?


Gins Report 27 Dec 2011 15:51

What about this marriage

Ireland, Civil Registration Marriages Index, 1845-1958
about Christina Kerr
Name: Christina Kerr
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1891
Registration district: Belfast
Volume: 1
Page: 564 (click to see others on page)
FHL Film Number: 101256

Heres all the others on the same page

Thomas Curran Oct-Nov-Dec 1891 Belfast
Margaret Gallagher Oct-Nov-Dec 1891 Belfast
Christina Kerr Oct-Nov-Dec 1891 Belfast
Alexander M'Lellan Oct-Nov-Dec 1891 Belfast
Susan Mulholland Oct-Nov-Dec 1891 Belfast
Peter O'Shea Oct-Nov-Dec 1891 Belfast
Annie Quinn Oct-Nov-Dec 1891 Belfast
Samuel Suffern Oct-Nov-Dec 1891 Belfast

Might be worth sending for the certificate


Flip Report 27 Dec 2011 15:50

My turkey has just turned into soup, not very original though!

Thanks MarieCeleste, that's the crossing I was told about, I believe there is also one for James Kerr (Henry's younger brother) also going from Mrs George, Hamilton, into Buffalo a bit later but like I say I can't access the records. (A fellow researcher I found through wikipendia trees used to have an Ancestry sub and gave me the details, but she didn't really check it out.)

I thought Mrs George may be unconnected, but I'm really at a loss to find Christina after 1891.


MarieCeleste Report 27 Dec 2011 15:50

Am pretty sure there are no records of trips between England and Ireland - would love to know when my lot came over.

Just a thought, did Elizabeth stay in Belfast? If so, have you found her on Irish 1901/1911 in case Christina went to her?


MarieCeleste Report 27 Dec 2011 15:42

Just posting this for reference - looks like Mrs George wasn't actually a relative:

Border Crossings: From Canada to U.S., 1895-1956

Name: Henry Kerr
Arrival Date: 9 Oct 1929
Port of Arrival: Niagara Falls, New York, United States
Accompanied by: Wife Rosine; Daughter Dorothy Adinlled
Arrival Contact: Aunt Mrs. Armondy
Departure Contact: Friend Mrs. George <<
Age: 35
Birth Date: abt 1894
Birth Place: Barrow In Frances
Birth Country: England
Gender: Male
Race/Nationality: English
Record has photo?: No
Record Type: Cards

Henry was a painter and purpose of going to US was to seek work.

(PS - will share my Quality Street if anyone has any inventive suggestions for leftover turkey - keep it clean)


Flip Report 27 Dec 2011 15:14

Merry Christmas one and all - hope everyone had a lovely time. We're still eating turkey, but what the he**.

I'm still no nearer getting a positive lead on Christina Kerr and don't have the right subs to try finding sailings/border crossings. Could do with finding her on a census after 1891 or a border crossing for her.

Does anyone know if there were passenger lists for people going from England to Ireland? (though not discounting Gin's US passenger list to US at the moment) just a thought as her younger sister Elizabeth ended up in Belfast and it seems odd she would go there on her own.



Flip Report 22 Dec 2011 06:22

Not sure if this is relevant, but 2 of Andrew Kerr's later children ended up in Canada. Henry in 1923 & James in 1925, they both crossed into America seperately, but both recorded they had been staying in Hamilton and stated Mrs George as their contact in Hamilton.

Henry was going to an aunt Mrs Ormandy in US, but this turned out to be his wife's aunt. I wonder if Mrs George could be Christina - I know its a long shot but with the possible sailing Gins found?


Flip Report 22 Dec 2011 06:03

Hi all, many thanks - that's the right census record.

I've already tried contacting the GR members with Christina on their tree but only got 1 reply and they didn't have anything more on her. But I'll try the William Kerr ones as well.

There is a marriage in Skipton for a Chrisina Kerr, but it's her neice shown on the above census aged 8.

Edit just checked & the trees with William on are the people I've already tried to contact.


Diamonds-R-A-Girls-Best-Friend Report 21 Dec 2011 21:16

Hi Flip, There are a few of trees on GR listing William KERR 1835 Kilmarnock and Christina KERR 1872 Barrow in Furness



Gins Report 21 Dec 2011 20:07

Thanks Lesley. This is why I couldnt find it! I'll submit a correction to Ancestry

1891 England Census
about Andrew Kert
Name: Andrew Kert
Age: 37
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1854
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Mary Kert
Gender: Male
Where born: Scotland

Civil parish: Barrow in Furness
Ecclesiastical parish: St John
Town: Barrow
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Registration district: Barrow In Furness
Sub-registration district: Barrow in Furness
ED, institution, or vessel: 23b
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 3487
Folio: 21
Page Number: 14
Household Members: Name Age
Andrew Kert 37
Mary Kert 24
Christina Kert 8
William Kert 1
John Kert 3/12
Christina Kert 19


Diamonds-R-A-Girls-Best-Friend Report 21 Dec 2011 19:41

Just in case Flip's dongle isn't working :-)

KERR, Andrew Head Married M 37 1854 Rivetter
Scotland VIEW [You have previously viewed this record]
KERR, Mary J Wife Married F 24 1867
Cumberland VIEW [You have previously viewed this record]
KERR, Christina Daughter F 8 1883 Scholar
Lancashire VIEW [You have previously viewed this record]
KERR, William J Son M 1 1890
Lancashire VIEW [You have previously viewed this record]
KERR, John Son M 0 (3M) 1891
Lancashire VIEW [You have previously viewed this record]
KERR, Christina Lodger Single F 19 1872 Factory Operative
Lancashire VIEW [You have previously viewed this record]
3487 Folio:
21 Page:
14 Registration District:
Barrow in Furness

Civil Parish:
Barrow Municipal Borough:
Barrow Address:
8a, Ship Street, Barrow County:

census search results all search results


Gins Report 21 Dec 2011 19:36

I cant see her in 1891, can you post it please



Flip Report 21 Dec 2011 18:59

Thanks for the replies.

Brummiejan I think she worked in the Jute factory as did many of the local girls of the time, but I wouldn't rule anything out. I just can't find her after 1891.

If I disappear it's down to using a dongle during the week - so unreliable for internet access! It's not that I'm being rude, but sometimes can't connect.


brummiejan Report 21 Dec 2011 18:52

In 1891 Christina is a factory operative, so wondering how likely it is to be her?


RutlandBelle Report 21 Dec 2011 18:42

the occupation on the Passenger list is bonnet maker


Gins Report 21 Dec 2011 18:32

New York Passenger Lists, 1820-1957
about Christina Kerr
Name: Christina Kerr
Arrival Date: 15 Jun 1895
Birth Year: abt 1871
Age: 24
Gender: Female
Ethnicity/Race­/Nationality: Scottish (Scotish)
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Ship Name: Etruria
Search Ship Database: Search the Etruria in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database

Her occupation is ? maker


Flip Report 21 Dec 2011 18:07

Hi All, hoping one of you can help me I've come to a dead end with Christina Kerr.

She was born Q3/1872, Barrow in Furness (reg Ulverston as Christiana). Her parents were William Kerr (c1835 Kilmarnock) and Christina McKenna (c1832 Old Monkland, Larnockshire).

The family moved from Scotland to Cleator, Cumberland where her older sister Eleanor was born in 1870. They then moved to Barrow where Christina and her younger sister Elizabeth (1874) were born. I know Eleanor married in Barrow and Elizabeth turns up in Belfast where she married in 1894, but I can't find anything on Christina after the 1891 census when she was in Barrow with her older brother Andrew (c1863) and his family.

Father William also seems to disappear, he is absent on the 1881 census, can't find him 1891 but have his death in Barrow in 1896 (confirmed from burial records), he was an engine driver/engineer depending on which record you check.

I've got all the earlier census details for the family, have contacted the 4 people with her on trees (got 1 reply, but they have no more info than me) so I'm at a dead end.

Any help greatfully accepted!!