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William Holyome 1880/1890 - 1962?

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Gavin

Gavin Report 2 Jan 2012 08:58

So, that now discounts William Henry Holyome from 1881.

Leaving William Robert Holyome 07/06/1889 who has the correct parentage but seems to have lied about his age and middle name on his wedding certificate to Lily Mary Walters.

William and Lily had 4 children (according to my relatives), Ivy, William, Albert and Elizabeth...... would any of their marriage certificates reference their fathers name?? It could clarify if he continued to use Henry as his middle name or referred back to his real name of Robert.

Thanks

Gavin

Gavin Report 2 Jan 2012 08:43

magnificent Flick.... thank you so much.

Flick

Flick Report 1 Jan 2012 22:33

This is the one born in 1881................couldn't have fathered Ivy

Name: William H Holyome
Birth Date: abt 1881
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1917
Age at Death: 36
Registration district: West Ham
Inferred County: Essex
Volume: 4a
Page: 338

So you can rule out this famliy

Name: William H Holyome
Age: 10
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1881
Relation: Son
Father's Name: William Holyome
Mother's name: Joyce S Holyome
Gender: Male
Where born: Bethnel Green, London, England

Civil parish: Leyton
Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints
Town: Leyton
County/Island: Essex
Country: England


Registration district: West Ham
Sub-registration district: Leyton
ED, institution, or vessel: 14
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 1345
Folio: 48
Page Number: 16
Household Members: Name Age
William Holyome 40
Joyce S Holyome 40
Alice S Holyome 14
Florence A Holyome 13
William H Holyome 10
Arthur G Holyome 6

For William and his widowed mother Joyce (who died 14/7/1917) Administration was granted to Arthur G Holyome.
William's address was the same as his mother's

Flick

Flick Report 1 Jan 2012 22:26

You refer to the 'certs'...but I don't think you have actually got them.

He could have given his father's second name as his own in error.............nervousness, perhaps?

As advised above......Iv'ys birth cert is a necessity, if you wish to trace the line accurately. Or her marriage cert, to establish who she said her father was..................

I'm not able to say whether the info I found relates to one person, or two. I just find the info and post it for your evaluation, as does anyone else on here

Good luck with your quest

Gavin

Gavin Report 1 Jan 2012 17:17

Flick

So on the births information you have William H Holyome born in Bethnal Green (mothers maiden name as Walter) So that would indicate his name was William Henry Holyome..... which is the name his father was using when he married Lily Walter (according to the certificate).
The birth information of the William who married Lily shows his name would have been William Robert Holyome (matched to birth and death records for the period)
So, why would he use the name Henry on his marriage certificate and then name his son with the same name.... if he was actually William Robert? Any idea's?
Can we be sure they are the same person.... all the certs seem to tie up but it doesnt make sense.

Flick

Flick Report 31 Dec 2011 18:46

You'd be well advised to invest in Ivy's birth cert

Flick

Flick Report 31 Dec 2011 18:42

Births Jun 1912 (>99%)
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Holyome William H Walter Bethnal G. 1c 307

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Births Mar 1914 (>99%)
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HOLYOME Elizabeth V Walter Shoreditch 1c 187

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Births Sep 1921 (>99%)
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Holyome Ivy M Walter Hackney 1b 964

Gavin

Gavin Report 31 Dec 2011 18:23

hmmmm, different age and different middle name...... is it the right person??

val1963

val1963 Report 31 Dec 2011 18:22

Gavin


Happy New Year


Val

Flick

Flick Report 31 Dec 2011 18:19

Not sure why he used Henry as a second name on his wedding day..................especially as he actually signed the register

Gavin

Gavin Report 31 Dec 2011 18:18

All

This is going extremely well, thank you all for your assistance so far.
I fear I must break off for today to go and spend the New Year with friends.
Will pick up any further information tomorrow.

Many thanks again

Happy New Year to you all.

Gavin

Flick

Flick Report 31 Dec 2011 18:16

TIP:

Don't rely on what 'contacts' tell you - they may not have been very thorough in their research

Only trust what you can verify.......................

Flick

Flick Report 31 Dec 2011 18:10

That's due to the transcription.........you must always allow for errors, and problems with reading indistinct handwriting.

Don't expect everything to be exact..........or you'll get very frustrated

Flick

Flick Report 31 Dec 2011 18:08

This death matches the baptism

Name: William R Holyome
Birth Date: abt 1889
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1962
Age at Death: 73
Registration district: Edmonton
Inferred County: Middlesex
Volume: 5e
Page: 224

Flick

Flick Report 31 Dec 2011 18:07

Name: William Robert Holyome
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1889
Baptism Date: 26 Jun 1889
Father's Name: Thomas Henry Holyome ***********Carman
Mother's name: Emily Holyome
Parish or Poor Law Union: Bethnal Green St Peter
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Register Type: Parish Registers
Born 7th JUNE

He may have added years when he married, to avoid appearing younger than his bride

1911 census states he was born in Bethnal Green

val1963

val1963 Report 31 Dec 2011 18:05

Gavin

I have edited the 1911 post

Val

Gavin

Gavin Report 31 Dec 2011 18:03

Val, reference your last post... is the name correct? It states Holyme.... not Holyome.

val1963

val1963 Report 31 Dec 2011 18:02

Gavin

I have looked at the original image of the marriage record on Ancestry

and all the information matches the 1911 census

Thomas's occupation is a "Car Man" the same on both image's and so is William's occupation " Polisher" it's just his age that's different by a few years

val

Kucinta

Kucinta Report 31 Dec 2011 17:58

William's father Thomas was a carman, William Henry was a polisher. Address for bride and groom given as 12 Chapman Rd.

Have pmed the marriage image to Gavin

EDIT: was still typing when Flick posted the same info first!

Flick

Flick Report 31 Dec 2011 17:54

On the marriage register, William's father Thomas is a Carman

William and Lily both give their address as 12 Chapman Road

Val's 1911 post would seem to be the correct family