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1841 censuses don't provide relationships but I think this could be Lettice with her paternal grandparents.
All other census returns say she was born in Devon, and on this 1841 return, she is the only one in this household born outside the county.
Look at grandma's name... lol

1841 England Census
about Lettice Gay
Name: Lettice Gay
[Lettice Guy]
Age: 3
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1838
Gender: Female

Civil parish: Arlingham
Hundred: Berkeley (Upper Division)
County/Island: Gloucestershire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation: View image

Registration district: Wheatenhurst
Sub-registration district: Frampton
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 347
Book: 1
Folio: 16
Page Number: 4
Household Members: Name Age
William Gay 60
Lettice Gay 55
John Gay 25
Ambers Gay 15
Hannah Gay 12
Patience Gay 7
Lettice Gay 3

hmmm, the only one that confuses here is John Gay, he is 25 on the 1841 census... meaning he was born around 1816

He must be a younger brother of Thomas Guy??

Yes,
Thats what I guessed, but I cannot find Lettice's parents, Thomas and Martha in 1841.
Concern is that Martha could be a 2nd wife of Thomas and therefore ,not Lettice's birth mother?

all that success.... thanks Anne.

If you need bringing back to earth there is always my paternal grandfather line... ha ha ha

Sheffield White's

its a nightmare.

Happy to stick with this though, maybe look for Wallace Walters line, James M White & Hester (Esther) .......

At your service Gavin...

England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index, 1837-1915
about James Marvin White
Name: James Marvin White
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1862
Registration district: Bath
Inferred County: Somerset
Volume Number: 5c
Page Number: 1208 *

England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index, 1837-1915
about Esther Lanning
Name: Esther Lanning
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1862
Registration district: Bath
Inferred County: Somerset
Volume Number: 5c
Page Number: 1208 *

1841 England Census
about Ester Lanning
Name: Ester Lanning
Age: 5
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1836
Gender: Female
Where born: Somerset, England
Civil parish: Lyncombe and Widcombe
Hundred: Bath Forum
County/Island: Somerset
Country: England
Registration district: Bath
Sub-registration district: Lyncombe and Widcombe
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 931
Book: 13
Folio: 20
Page Number: 32
Household Members: Name Age
Phillip Lanning 35
Clarasa Lanning 35
Mary Ann Lanning 11
George Lanning 9
Clarasa Lanning 7
Ester Lanning 5
Elizabeth Lanning 3
Charlote Lanning


1851 England Census
about Esther Lanning
Name: Esther Lanning
Age: 14
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1837
Relation: Servant
Gender: F (Female)
Where born: Bath, Somerset, England

Civil parish: Lyncombe and Widcome
Ecclesiastical parish: Lyncombe and Widcome
County/Island: Somerset
Country: England
Registration district: Bath
Sub-registration district: Lyncombe
ED, institution, or vessel: 1b
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 171
Piece: 1942
Folio: 49
Page Number: 34
Household Members: Name Age
Richard Lewis 36
Esther Lanning 14
Henry Pook 39
Thos Pook

And her parents:
1851 England Census
about Phillip Lanning
Name: Phillip Lanning
Age: 47
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1804
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Clarisa Lanning
Gender: M (Male)
Where born: Bath, Somerset, England

Civil parish: Lyncombe and Widcome
Ecclesiastical parish: Lyncombe and Widcome
Town: Bath
County/Island: Somerset
Country: England
Registration district: Bath
Sub-registration district: Lyncombe
ED, institution, or vessel: 1d
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 217
Piece: 1942
Folio: 121
Page Number: 43
Household Members: Name Age
Phillip Lanning 47
Clarisa Lanning 48
George Lanning 18
Charlotte Lanning 11
Phillip Lanning 7
James Lanning 5
Richard Lanning 4
William Battle 19

1861 England Census
about Esther Lanning
Name: Esther Lanning
Age: 24
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1837
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Philip Lanning
Mother's Name: Clarissa Lanning
Gender: Female
Where born: Bath, Somerset, England
Civil parish: Lyncombe and Widcombe
Ecclesiastical parish: Widcombe
County/Island: Somerset
Country: England
Registration district: Bath
Sub-registration district: Lyncombe
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 268
Piece: 1688
Folio: 90
Page Number: 44
Household Members: Name Age
Philip Lanning 56
Clarissa Lanning 57
Esther Lanning 24
Philip Lanning 17
James Lanning 15
Richard Lanning 13
Ann Lanning 63

1881 England Census
about Philip Lanning
Name: Philip Lanning
Age: 75
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1806
Relation: Head
Gender: Male
Civil parish: Lyncombe and Widcombe
County/Island: Somerset
Country: England

Street Address: 2 Fishers Court
Condition as to marriage: Widow
Education:

Employment status: View image
Occupation: Shoemaker

Registration district: Bath
Sub-registration district: Lyncombe
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 2434
Folio: 115
Page Number: 29
Household Members: Name Age
Philip Lanning 75
James Lanning 17


England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index, 1837-1915
about Philip Lanning
Name: Philip Lanning
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1803
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1886
Age at Death: 83
Registration district: Bath
Inferred County: Somerset
Volume: 5c

England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index, 1837-1915
about Clara Lanning
Name: Clara Lanning
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1804
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1878
Age at Death: 74
Registration district: Bath
Inferred County: Somerset
Volume: 5c

you know your trouble Anne...... you just dont try hard enough..

:-D :-D

That is incredible... thank you

This is possibly Esther's husband but I can't find him in 1851?
I think all the other censuses are on the thread....is it only James M White in 1851 that's missing?

1841 England Census
about James White
Name: James White
Age: 6
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1835
Gender: Male
Where born: Somerset, England
Civil parish: Lyncombe and Widcombe
Hundred: Bath Forum
County/Island: Somerset
Country: England
Sub-registration district: Lyncombe and Widcombe
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 931
Book: 13
Folio: 21
Page Number: 34
Household Members: Name Age
Jonathan White 45
Ann White 45
Chas White 20
William White 12
Samuel White 9
James White 6

Edit:
Do you still have 6 credits left for SP?
If so, you should get that 1911 Dunfermline census for the Walker family...to see if Frances Louisa and her sister Florence had any more siblings!

would Chas be male or female back then?

Charles or Chastity?

any idea?

I assumed male, but will check the original after I have fed the family

you are very clever....

I used my last credits as you suggested;

1911 Census
98 Beechgrove Terrace, Limekilns, Sandilands, Dunfermline
Charles Walker - 40
Fanny Walker - 40
Frances L Walker - 19
Florence L Walker - 16
Eleanor M Walker - 7
Doris E Walker - 6
Lilian V Walker - 3
Ernest (maybe Edward) G Walker - 7months

Nice work on the 1911.
Were any born in Scotland? Dates and places of birth is a good indicator of when the Walkers moved to Scotland.

On the 1841 ( Jonathan White) census in question, all but Ann are Male.

Here we go again.....
England & Wales Christening Records, 1530-1906
about Johnathan White
Name: Johnathan White
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 25 Sep 1791
Christening Place: Laycock, Wiltshire, England *** ( consistent with 1851 return)
Father's Name: Jonathan White
Mother's Name: Mary


1851 England Census
about Jonathan White
Name: Jonathan White
Age: 56
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1795
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Ann White
Gender: M (Male)
Where born: Lacock, Wiltshire, England *****

Civil parish: Lyncombe and Widcome
Ecclesiastical parish: Lyncombe and Widcome
Town: Bath
County/Island: Somerset
Country: England
Registration district: Bath
Sub-registration district: Lyncombe
ED, institution, or vessel: 1d
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 94
Piece: 1942
Folio: 110
Page Number: 20
Household Members: Name Age
Jonathan White 56
Ann White 52 born DEVON
Emma Suddry 11 Daughter In Law/ Nurse Maid ( definitely aged 11yrs??)
Eliza Tomar 29 visitor



England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index, 1837-1915
about Jonathan White
Name: Jonathan White
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1859
Registration district: Bath
Inferred County: Somerset
Volume: 5c
Page: 473 (click to see others on page)

This is really odd?
There is a marriage in Bath between Jonathan White and Ann Soudry.
It looked right ... until I saw the marriage date was 1847!
The 11 yr old in the household at 1851 also seems to be a Soudry.
Does this mean that Jonathan married two women, called Ann, or did they wait until 1847 to marry?
There are also too many deaths for an Ann White between 1841 and 1847 in the area to make a definitive decision.
Edit:
perhaps Jonathan and Ann had a son called Jonathan who married Ann Soudry?
Except.........I cant find another, younger couple named Jonathan and Ann on an 1851 return in Bath

Too much info coming through as I can see marriages popping up for the other brothers on the 1841 census.
Need to work their mother out first but ma heid's burstin!

Ha ha.... You deserve a rest.
I am going to pick it up again tomorrow (work permitting)
I will keep doing bits throughout the day.

Really appreciating your help.

Plenty more requests for me to make of you..... Don't run away for long.

:-D :-D :-D

Ok but I am going to bed now.
Just watched tonight's episode of The Following and I am totally wrecked.
Will look at the family stuff again tomorrow after work.

Anne

On the Christening you put up (2 posts back); The date of the event is 1791...
From the 1841 & 1851 Census, the age of Jonathan puts his birth at 1796... so maybe this Christening is the wrong person??

England & Wales Christening Records, 1530-1906
about Johnathan White
Name: Johnathan White
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 25 Sep 1791
Christening Place: Laycock, Wiltshire, England *** ( consistent with 1851 return)
Father's Name: Jonathan White
Mother's Name: Mary

I did spot that 4 or 5 yrs difference too Gavin but, my geographical knowledge of anywhere south of Dumfries is dreadful.
I added it simply because both the baptism and 1851 return have the same place on them.
I have no idea how Laycock, Wiltshire relates to Bath, Somerset ??!!
I would need to use google maps to get a handle on distance.

Edit:
Next step before going forward will be to revisit each census posted and save the original. Posted are transcrptions only, and I feel the need to ensure relationships on each. Would rather not assume everyone was a set of parents and children.
I assume you have been creating a tree?
Once saved, I cam PM them... if the GR system is working?

I am creating the tree on a seperate software and uploading the GEDcom periodically.

If easier, PM me and I will give you my email address.

Thank you

I cannot remember if we found the death of Charles White's father Wallace.
He was definitely deceased in 1913 when Charles married and I have just found his widow Sophia on a 1911 return.
It is her, married 14 yrs 8 children, 6 living and 2 deceased.
There is only one 4yr old son with her... his name is Francis Thomas White b Bath.
Based on 8 children, was she married before or were they all Wallace's?

However, Wallaces birth and death
England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
about Wallace W White
Name: Wallace W White
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1866
Registration district: Bath
Inferred County: Somerset
Volume: 5c
Page: 637 (click to see others on page



England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index, 1837-1915
about Wallace Walter White
Name: Wallace Walter White
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1866
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1906
Age at Death: 40
Registration district: Bath
Inferred County: Somerset
Volume: 5c

1911 England Census
about Sophia White
Name: Sophia White
Age in 1911: 47
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1864
Relation to Head: Wife
Gender: Female
Birth Place: St Michaels, Bath
Civil parish: Bath
County/Island: Somerset
Country: England
Street Address: 29 Avon St, Bath
Marital Status: Widowed
Occupation: Charwoman
Registration district: Bath
Registration District Number: 316
Sub-registration district: Walcot
ED, institution, or vessel: 20
Household schedule number: 192
Piece: 14722
Household Members: Name Age
Sophia White 47
Francis Thomas White 4 ( mis tracribed as 44yr old Scholar)


The child was born after Wallace's death!
England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
about Francis Thomas White
Name: Francis Thomas White
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1907
Registration district: Bath
Inferred County: Somerset
Volume: 5c
Page: 464 (click to see others on page)

Collecting Census originals at the mo, and looking at one family at a time.
So far from the 1901 White census to the 1911
19 yr old Gertrude is a servant in MiddX
14 Yr old Ada in the WORKHOUSE!
cannot identify William or Edward

his death was registered in Q4 of 1906
His son's birth was registered in Q1 of 1907

I wonder if it was a late birth registration and he was actually born in Q4 of 1906... before his dad died... I like to think so.

had you noticed.. ADA will have been born to Sophia, not Louisa.
Birth was 1897.
Louisa died in 1894.

Yes I did notice
England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
about Ada White
Name: Ada White
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1897
Registration district: Bath
Inferred County: Somerset
Volume: 5c

1911 "Cottage Home from Bath Workhouse".
Have no idea if Percy White age 7 is connected?

Name: Ada White
Age in 1911: 14
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1897
Relation to Head: Inmate
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Bath
Civil parish: Batheaston
County/Island: Somerset
Country: England
Street Address: Avon House, Batheaston, Bath
Registration district: Bath
Registration District Number: 316
Sub-registration district: Batheaston
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Household schedule number: 14
Piece: 14735
Household Members: Name Age
William H Purser 30
Alice Purser 35
Percy White 5
George Snook 5
Alice Winstone 33
Ada White 14
Elsie Warren 14
Dora Brown 12
Rosy Rowe 11
Rosy Marsh 7
Louie Smith 7
Mable Francis 6
Alice Brown 9
Bessie Hayward 8
Doris Hayward 6
Doris Rowe 6
Harry Brown 7
Alfred Walker 7

Oh I forgot!
There is no sign of Charles in England at 1911 but I expect he will be somewhere around FIFE! He does match with someone in Dunfermline but it could be red herring