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William Henry Gale 1863

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HeyJudeB4Beatles

HeyJudeB4Beatles Report 18 Feb 2012 18:38

PLEASE GO TO LAST POST AND IGNORE THE ANSWERED TICK!!!!!!

I have a family and several of them disappear in 1901! The only ones I can find are the elder children who have married and set up home on their own. So I am assuming the missing ones - all unmarried as far as I can tell plus their widowed father were together somewhere...but where is the question!

They are

James 1839 born Barnstaple
Anne/Annie Maria born Cardiff 1872
Charles born Cardiff 1875
Katherine born Newport 1881
Ernest born Newport 1885

I have found them all (separately) in 1911 except James who died in 1910.

So where were they in 1901?

Also, elder brother William Henry Gale.

In 1891 he is shown as married and living with wife Myra and stepson Fred Coleman.

In 1901 I can find Myra and Fred but not William.

And I find them both together in 1911 - married 21 years....yet the only marriage I can find was in 1900!

Can anyone find him in 1901?

Jude

GlitterBaby

GlitterBaby Report 18 Feb 2012 18:44

Can not access this to check on FMP

1901 census has a James Gale listed in Monmouthshire - Newport reg dist

Just did a search using James born Barnstaple

MaureeninNY

MaureeninNY Report 18 Feb 2012 18:44

1901 census transcription details for: 19, Hereford Street, Newport
RG number: RG13 Piece: 4961 Folio: 17 Page: 26

Reg. District: Newport Sub District: Newport

GALE, James Head Widower M 61 1840 Shipwright
Barnstaple
Devonshire
GALE, Annie Daughter Single F 28 1873
Cardiff
Glamorganshire
GALE, Charles Son Single M 25 1876 Carpenter
Cardiff
Glamorganshire
GALE, Kate Daughter F 20 1881
Newport
Monmouthshire
GALE, Ernest Son Single M 16 1885 Apprentice To Stone Mason
Newport
Monmouthshire


Haven't looked for them on Ancestry!

Maureen

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 18 Feb 2012 18:46

When was William Henry born?

MaureeninNY

MaureeninNY Report 18 Feb 2012 18:47

Oh here they are:
1901 Wales Census about Ernest Gate
Name: Ernest Gate
Age in 1901: 16
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1885
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Jahue Gate
Gender: Male
Where born: Newport, Monmouthshire, Wales
Civil parish: Newport
Ecclesiastical parish: Maindee St John
County/Island: Monmouthshire
Country: Wales
Jahue Gate 61
Anie Gate 28
Charles Gate 25
Kate Gate 20
Ernest Gate 16
Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 4961; Folio: 17; Page: 26.

Maureen

Dea

Dea Report 18 Feb 2012 18:49

1901 Wales Census
about Ernest Gate Name: Ernest Gate
Age in 1901: 16
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1885
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Jahue Gate
Gender: Male
Where born: Newport, Monmouthshire, Wales

Civil parish: Newport
Ecclesiastical parish: Maindee St John
County/Island: Monmouthshire
Country: Wales

Street Address: View image
Condition as to marriage: View image
Education: View image
Employment status: View image
Occupation: View image

Registration district: Newport (Monmouthshire)
Sub-registration district: Newport
ED, institution, or vessel: 43
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 154
Piece: 4961
Folio: 17
Page Number: 26
Household Members: Name Age
Jahue Gate 61 b Barnstable, Devon. - Shipwright.
Anie Gate 28
Charles Gate 25
Kate Gate 20
Ernest Gate 16


Dea x

MaureeninNY

MaureeninNY Report 18 Feb 2012 18:49

Just for ref-darn he's a seaman:
1891 census transcription details for: 16, Capel Crescent, St Woollos, Newport
RG number: RG12 Piece: 4375 Folio: 87 Page: 25

Reg. District: Newport Sub District: Newport
GALE, William Head Married M 27 1864 Seaman
Cardiff
Glamorganshire
GALE, Myra Wife Married F 30 1861
Chipping Norton
Oxfordshire
COLEMAN, Fred Stepson Single M 13 1878 Errand Boy
Bicester
Oxfordshire


Maureen

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 18 Feb 2012 18:51

Might he have been at sea?

Crew Lists 1861-1913 - entry details

First name(s): WILLIAM
Last name: GALE
Capacity: F'man
Year of birth: 1862 (calculated)
Age: 37
Place of birth (transcribed): Cardiff
Place of birth (standardised): Cardiff, Glamorganshire
Previous ship: Same
Previous ship port:
Previous ship year: 1899
Vessel name: Thomas Coats Vessel official number: 82555
Period for crew list: 6 Jan 1899 - 12 Jul 1899 Port: Newport
Master: D MORGAN Port registry number: 5
Master's address: Port registry year: 1881
Master's town (transcribed): Gross tonnage: 1012
Master's town (standardised): Net tonnage: 627
Master's ticket number: Horse power: 99
Owner: T BEYNON Number of seamen: 25
Owner's address: Repository's reference: D.907.8.55
Owner's town (transcribed): Newport, Mon Log book available?: No
Owner's town (standardised): Newport, Monmouthshire
Record source: Monmouthshire RO

HeyJudeB4Beatles

HeyJudeB4Beatles Report 18 Feb 2012 19:00

The GR sleuths do it again...do you know I have searched and searched and searched all afternoon!

Yeah looks like William was at sea...I have his birth date as 1863 so it fits....

Thanks

Jude

HeyJudeB4Beatles

HeyJudeB4Beatles Report 26 Jan 2014 11:18

I was trying to tidy up my tree today.

Had found William and Myra in 1911

Name: William Gale
Age in 1911: 48
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1863
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Civil Parish: Newport
County/Island: Monmouthshire
Country: Wales
Street Address: 6 Dean St Newport Mon
Marital status: Married
Years Married: 21
Estimated Marriage Year: 1890
Occupation: Marine Stoker
Registration District: Newport
Registration District Number: 587
Sub-registration District: Newport
ED, institution, or vessel: 31
Household Schedule Number: 176
Piece: 31990
Household Members:
Name Age
William Gale 48
Myra Gale 49
Gennie Heggs 11

This is definitely MY William because Gennie Higgs is actually Sarah Jane Higgs the daughter of William's sister. But I couldn't find anything more about him (or Myra)

So this morning I found this:

Name: William Henry Gale
Age: 55
Birth Date: abt 1862
Death Date: 5 Feb 1917
Cemetery: Mercantile Marine Mem Part III
Burial Country: England
Father: James Gale
Region or Memorial: Memorial Register

The entry reads: Gale, William Henry, Donkeyman, SS Azul died 05 February 1917 drowned as a result of attack by enemy submarine. Son of the late Mr and Mrs James Gale - this fits - husband of Elizabeth Ann Gale (nee Francis) Bishopsgate Parade Cardiff Road Newport. Born at Newport Mon.

MY William was born Cardiff although the family moved to Newport sometime between 1871 and 1881. I can find the marriage to Elizabeth Ann Francis in Q2 1881 but I can't find them as a couple at any point. I cannot find a William Henry Gale born in Newport that would have been old enough to marry in 1881.

In 1891 he is living with Myra and her son. She is listed as Gale but their marriage was not until 1900.

I have not found a death for Elizabeth Ann Gale.

So can anyone help me on this? It seems likely that this my William, right age, right father, right occupation......

Jude

PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 26 Jan 2014 11:40

Hi Jude

I am not quite sure what you are looking for........but this appears to be the family in 1871.

1871 Wales Census
about William Hy Gale Name: William Hy Gale
Age: 8
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1863
Relation: Son
Father's Name: James Gale
Mother's Name: Rebecca Gale
Gender: Male
Where born: Cardiff, Glamorganshire, Wales
Civil Parish: Roath
Ecclesiastical parish: Roath
Town: Roath
County/Island: Glamorgan
Country: Wales
Registration District: Cardiff
Sub-registration District: Cardiff
ED, institution, or vessel: 27a
Household Schedule Number: 160
Piece: 5366
Folio: 123
Page Number: 35
Household Members: Name Age
James Gale 33 (Ships Carpenter) Barnstable Devon
Rebecca Gale 26
William Hy Gale 8
Alfred Jas Gale 6
Florence Rosina Gale 4
Sarah Ann Gale 1
Richard Tabys Gale 1
James Marchant 42 (Boarder)>>>>>>>


Marriages Sep 1862 (>99%)
Gale James Cardiff 11a 319
Marchant Rebecca Cardiff 11a 319







MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 26 Jan 2014 11:41

Just for reference, that 1881 marriage:

Parish Record Collection - Marriage Record

Grooms Last Name: Gale
Grooms First Name: William Henry

Grooms Fathers First Name: James
Grooms Fathers Last Name: Gale
Grooms Parish:
Grooms Age: 20

Brides Last Name: Francis
Brides First Name: Elizabeth Ann
Brides Fathers First Name: John
Brides Fathers Last Name: Francis
Brides Parish:
Brides Age: 20

County: Monmouthshire
Place / Parish: Newport, Holy Trinity
Marriage Year: 1881
Marriage Month: May
Marriage Day: 8
Page: 46

Record source: Monmouthshire Marriages - Transcripts
Data provider: Welsh Archive Services / Gwasanaethau Archifau Cymru

William Henry Gale was an engine driver and his father a ship's carpenter.

Elizabeth Ann's father was a fireman.

Bride and groom not previously married and both give address as what looks like 29 Lenin Street.

Witnesses: Thos Watkins and Mary Watkins.

PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 26 Jan 2014 11:49

1891 Wales Census
about Rebecca Gale Name: Rebecca Gale
Age: 46
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1845
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: James Gale
Gender: Female
Where born: Wilts, Trowbridge

Civil Parish: Christchurch
County/Island: Monmouthshire
Country: Wales

Street Address: View Image
Condition as to marriage: View Image
Education: View Image
Employment status: View Image
Occupation: View Image

Registration District: Newport
Sub-registration District: Caerleon
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 4367
Folio: 81
Page Number: 43
Household Members: Name Age
James Gale 52 (Shipwright)
Rebecca Gale 46
Annie Gale 19
Charlie Gale 16
Catherine Gale 10
Ernest Gale 8


England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index, 1837-1915
about Rebecca Gale Name: Rebecca Gale
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1845
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1897
Age at Death: 52
Registration District: Newport
Inferred County: Monmouthshire
Volume: 11a
Page: 122

HeyJudeB4Beatles

HeyJudeB4Beatles Report 26 Jan 2014 11:50

MC....James and Rebecca were William's parents. They died in 1910 and 1897 respectively.

In 1881, William Henry is Single.

In 1891 he is living with Myra and states married though I cannot find a marriage until 1900. In 1901 he is at sea and in 1911 he is with Myra in Dean Street Newport.

So I found this death at sea as a result of UBoat action. The citation says son of late Mr and Mrs James Gale which fits with it being my William Henry.

But then it says husband of (suggests she is still alive) Elizabeth Ann Gale (nee Francis) - which is obviously that 1881 marriage. But he has been with Myra since 1891 (at least) and married to her since 1900. So was he a bigamist?

Jude

HeyJudeB4Beatles

HeyJudeB4Beatles Report 26 Jan 2014 11:53

and in 1871 James Gale was a ship's carpenter...so it HAS to be my William Henry :-S

And 1881 census the family including William were living at 29 CANNON Street

HeyJudeB4Beatles

HeyJudeB4Beatles Report 26 Jan 2014 12:13

Unless of course the William I find in 1891 and 1911 with Myra is not him.....but he fits...and if it's not him then where is the William that married Elizabeth Ann. I guess he could be at sea all the time...but where is she?

Jude

Christina (Lancashire)

Christina (Lancashire) Report 26 Jan 2014 14:02

Maybe William & Elizabeth split and both went to live with different partners. William with Myra And Elizabeth with Henry G Case.

1891 Wales Census
Name: Elizabeth Case
Age: 28
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1863
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Henry G Case
Gender: Female
Where born: Newport, Monmouthshire, Wales
Civil Parish: Newport
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mark
Town: Newport
County/Island: Monmouthshire
Country: Wales
Street Address: View Image
Condition as to marriage: View Image
Education: View Image
Employment status: View Image
Occupation: View Image
Registration District: Newport
Sub-registration District: Newport
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 4371
Folio: 43
Page Number: 32
Household Members:
Name Age
Henry G Case 50
Elizabeth Case 28
Samuel Case 16
Henry Case 12
James Case 6
Maud Case 3
Ada Case 2
Florence Case 9 Weeks
Mary Francis 23

James, Maud (Emily Maud), Ada and Florence were all registered under the surname Gale, with Case as a middle name.


Christina (Lancashire)

Christina (Lancashire) Report 26 Jan 2014 14:10

Elizabeth was still very much alive in 1901...so if he did marry Myra in 1900, it looks like he was a bigamist!

1901 Wales Census
Name: Elizabeth A Case
Age in 1901: 40
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1861
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Henry G Case
Gender: Female
Where born: Newport, Monmouthshire, Wales
Civil Parish: Newport
Ecclesiastical parish: Crindau All Saints
County/Island: Monmouthshire
Country: Wales
Street Address: View Image
Condition as to marriage: View Image
Education: View Image
Employment status: View Image
Occupation: View Image
Registration District: Newport (Monmouthshire)
Sub-registration District: Newport
ED, institution, or vessel: 39
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Schedule Number: 57
Piece: 4960
Folio: 128
Page Number: 10
Household Members:
Name Age
Henry G Case 66
Elizabeth A Case 40
Emily Maud Case 14
Ada Minnie Case 12
Francis J Case 7
Gwendoline R Case 5
Caroline C Case 2

Francis, Gwendoline and Caroline were all registered as Case.

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 26 Jan 2014 14:25

According to the Memorial Register the address for Elizabeth Ann Gale nee Francis was Bishopsgate Parade, Cardiff Road, Newport. Certainly can't see her in Bishopsgate in 1911.

Christina (Lancashire)

Christina (Lancashire) Report 26 Jan 2014 14:34

By 1911, Elizabeth has moved on to 'husband' number 3, who she married (bigamously?) in 1905...


1911 Wales Census
Name: Elizabeth Goulding
Age in 1911: 48
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1863
Relation to Head: Wife
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Newport, Monmouthshire, Wales
Civil Parish: Newport
County/Island: Monmouthshire
Country: Wales
Street Address: 24 Hill St
Marital status: Married
Registration District: Newport
Registration District Number: 587
Sub-registration District: Newport
ED, institution, or vessel: 12
Household Schedule Number: 134
Piece: 31971
Household Members:
Name Age
Charles Goulding 40
Elizabeth Goulding 48
Carlione Case 12




Marriages Sep 1905 (>99%)
GALE Elizabeth Ann Newport, M. 11a 451
GOULDING Charles Newport, M. 11a 451
Hennah John Henry Newport M 11a
NOKES Louisa Newport, M. 11a 451