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Daphne

Daphne Report 7 Mar 2012 17:02

Gt Aunt Rose Wheeler; married Sidney Burgess in 1898. Tracked them until 1901 census, then blank.She may have married again as I knew him as Bill. Then lived in Nazeing,Essex in 1950s and 60s with a son Bill.
Anyone know of them?
Much obliged for any help
Cheshire Cat :

GlitterBaby

GlitterBaby Report 7 Mar 2012 17:19

Born when and where

Location in 1901

Anything ??

Reggie

Reggie Report 7 Mar 2012 17:20

Sorry, but I don't follow

Who did you know as 'Bill'?

You know where they were in the 1950's and 1960's, so you haven't actually lost track of them

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 7 Mar 2012 17:20

where were they living in 1901 ??

GlitterBaby

GlitterBaby Report 7 Mar 2012 17:20

Do you mean this marriage

Marriages Dec 1898 (>99%)
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Burgess Sidney Kensington 1a 365
BURTON Louisa Kensington 1a 365
Pevreall Henry William Kensington 1a 365
WHEELER Rose Ellen Kensington 1a 365

Reggie

Reggie Report 7 Mar 2012 17:23

Is this her birth?

Births Jun 1882 (>99%)
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Wheeler Rose Ellen Kensington 1a 79

GlitterBaby

GlitterBaby Report 7 Mar 2012 17:23

Ancestry version - have done a name correction

Name: Sidney Bargess - dealer
Age: 21
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1878
Spouse Name: Rose Ellen Wheeler
Spouse Age: 18
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 26 Dec 1899
Parish: Kensal Green St Andrew and St Philip
Borough: Kensington and Chelsea
Father Name: Benjamin Bargess
Spouse Father Name: Henry Joseph Wheeler
Register Type: Parish Register

44 Appleford Rd


Henry Joseph Wheeler and Mary Jane Wheeler were the witnessess

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 7 Mar 2012 17:25

if thats the right marriage that Glitterbaby posted then is this them in 1901?

BURGESS, Sidney Head Married M 22 1879 General Dealer
Kensington
London VIEW
BURGESS, Rose Wife Married F 21 1880 Ironer
Kensington
London VIEW
Piece:
30 Folio:
157 Page:
19 Registration District:
Kensington

Civil Parish:
Kensington Municipal Borough:
Address:
28, Bosworth Road, Kensington County:
London

Reggie

Reggie Report 7 Mar 2012 17:30

Name: Alice Louisa Burgess
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1903
Baptism Date: 11 Feb 1903
Father's Name: Sydney Burgess
Mother's Name: Rose Ellen Burgess
Parish or Poor Law Union: Notting Hill Christ Church
Borough: Kensington and Chelsea
Register Type: Parish Registers

GlitterBaby

GlitterBaby Report 7 Mar 2012 17:46

??

Name: Sidney Burgess
Age: 28
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1879
Spouse Name: Elizabeth Ellen Browning
Spouse Age: 19
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 17 Mar 1907
Parish: Kensington St James Norlands
Borough: Kensington and Chelsea
Father Name: Benjamin Burgess
Spouse Father Name: Alfred Browning
Register Type: Parish Register


1911?
BURGESS, Sidney Head Married M 31 1880 Coster Monger General Hawker London Westbourne Park VIEW
BURGESS, Elizabeth Wife Married
4 years F 23 1888 London Notting Hill VIEW
BURGESS, Ruth Daughter F 3 1908 London Notting Hill VIEW
BOOWNING, Sarah Sister F 12 1899 London Notting Hill VIEW
DURLEY, Tom Boarder Single M 25 1886 Coster Monger General Hawker London Hammersmith VIEW

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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
7088 Reference:
RG14PN7088 RG78PN347 RD130 SD1 ED21 SN371

Registration District:
Hendon Sub District:
Harrow Enumeration District:
21 Parish:
Wealdstone

Address:
14 the Terrace Palmerston Road Wealdstone

GlitterBaby

GlitterBaby Report 7 Mar 2012 17:50

Really strange

Both marriage show father as Benjamin Burgess - dealer - deceased

On both certs Sidney has not signed but made his mark

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 7 Mar 2012 23:11

so Sydney has remarried but cant find a another marriage for Rose.

Do you have her actual birth date cos that may help find her death

GlitterBaby

GlitterBaby Report 7 Mar 2012 23:17

Looked at the baptism record earlier to try and find her death

Baptism shows 22nd Feb 1882

GlitterBaby

GlitterBaby Report 7 Mar 2012 23:19

I presumed it was this one

Name: Rose Ellen Wheeler
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1882
Baptism Date: 19 Mar 1882
Father's Name: Henry Joseph Wheeler
Mother's Name: Mary Ann Wheeler
Parish or Poor Law Union: Notting Hill Christ Church
Borough: Kensington and Chelsea
Register Type: Parish Registers

GlitterBaby

GlitterBaby Report 7 Mar 2012 23:26

1911 I thought might be her mother

WHEELER, Mary Ann Elizabeth Head Widow F 58 1853 Laundress Marylebone VIEW
WHEELER, Samuel George Son Single M 33 1878 Trunk Maker North Kensington VIEW
WHEELER, Marys Daughter Single F 24 1887 North Kensington VIEW
WHEELER, Jane Aunt Visitor Single F 60 1851 North Kensington VIEW

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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
193 Reference:
RG14PN193 RD2 SD3 ED28 SN421

Registration District:
Kensington Sub District:
Kensington North Enumeration District:
28 Parish:
Kensington

Address:
24 Edenham St North Kensington

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 8 Mar 2012 00:06

but she can't have died IF Daphne knew her in the 1950s and 60s!



they probably did not divorce ......... divorce was very expensive and very difficult to obtain right up to WW2, and only the very wealthy could go through with one.


GB .... what did Sydney say bout his marital status on that second certificate???



sylvia

GlitterBaby

GlitterBaby Report 8 Mar 2012 00:09

Batchelor

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 8 Mar 2012 00:09

answer



he said he was a Bachelor




sylvia

GlitterBaby

GlitterBaby Report 8 Mar 2012 00:10

Would help if I could find Rose and Alice Louisa on 1911 but nothing

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 8 Mar 2012 00:20

yes, I've been looking for Alice Louisa

They were living at 112 Southam Street, when she was baptised.

and Alice was born 12th January 1903



but I don't know where that is in London!




sylvia