Sorry, i know the surname of Smith is awful but hey will give it a try. All i have is Ronald Clifford Smith b 7 12 1922 in the London area. Do not know who he married but they had 5 children, Ronald, Pamela,Brenda, Barry and Sally. I got this info from my aunt who has just died and she had started a family tree and that was all there was on it. His parents were George William Smith b 1910 and Ethel Norah Clarke. The other children from Ethel and George were Lillian b 1911, Doris b 1920 Iris b 1918 and Ronald b 1922. Thanks who ever may be looking at this Jenny
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Are you 100% sure of birth date?
Name: Ronald Clifford Smith Birth Date: 15 Jan 1921 Date of Registration: Nov 1989 Age at Death: 68 Registration district: Lewisham Inferred County: London Volume: 14 Page: 484
Having said that, there is an Ancestry tree with a Ronald Clifford Smith, death year at 1979 - they even have cause of death, but no wife or children recorded.
EDIT that's a different Clifford, different parents.
Jan
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Relation Condition/ Yrs married Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born Original census image
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- SMITH, George William Head Married M 24 1887 Milkman Surrey Bermondsey VIEW SMITH, Ethel Norah Wife Married 1 years F 20 1891 London Hammersmith VIEW SMITH, Lillian Norah Daughter Single F 0 (2 MONTHS) 1911 Essex Walthamstow VIEW SMITH, Albert John Leonard Brother Single M 15 1896 Shop Boy Essex Walthamstow VIEW
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- RG number: RG14 Piece: 9534 Reference: RG14PN9534 RG78PN509 RD188 SD5 ED15 SN194 Registration District: West Ham Sub District: South East Ham Enumeration District: 15 Parish: East Ham Address: 196 Burges Road East Ham E County: Essex Andy
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could this be george 1891 SMITH, Henry J Head Married M 38 1853 Stationery Engine Driver Bermondsey Surrey VIEW SMITH, Rose A Wife Married F 30 1861 Lambeth Surrey VIEW SMITH, Henry L Son M 8 1883 Scholar Southwark Surrey VIEW SMITH, Rose M Daughter F 6 1885 Scholar Bermondsey Surrey VIEW SMITH, Beatrice J Daughter F 4 1887 Scholar Bermondsey Surrey VIEW SMITH, George W Son M 2 1889 Bermondsey Surrey VIEW GOODWIN, Charlotte Sister In Law Single F 18 1873 General Servant Southwark Surrey VIEW GOODWIN, Maria Sister In Law Single F 15 1876 General Servant Bermondsey Surrey VIEW Piece: 362 Folio: 14 Page: 19 Registration District: St Saviour Southwark Civil Parish: Newington Municipal Borough: Newington Address: 53, Beckway Street, Newington, London County: London
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Jennifer, there is an option which is long-winded but worth it if you are determined! Have you looked for marriages on Freebmd? I would look at the most likely years first - I always start with when the person was in their 20's/early 30's and work outwards! So start with 1940-55 say. Pick out the ones which are roughly in area and note spouse's surname. Then look for births matching this. If you get matches with the children's names it should catch your eye. As I say, long-winded but if you have some time on your hands ... ! At least you have reasonable names for his children. Jan
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His birth:
Births Mar 1923 (>99%) Smith Ronald C Clarke Romford 4a 957
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ethel 1901 CLARKE, Elizabeth Head Widow F 45 1856 Dressmaker Chelsea London VIEW CLARKE, Ethel N Daughter Single F 11 1890 School Girl Hammersmith London VIEW CLARKE, Robert T Son M 7 1894 School Girl Hobborn London VIEW CLARKE, Harry E Son M 5 1896 Woodgreen Middlesex VIEW ELKINTON, Elizabeth Mother Widow F 73 1828 Living With Daughter Chelsea London VIEW CLARKE, John Son Single M 18 1883 Private Gienariel Guards Windsor Berkshire VIEW Piece: 1633 Folio: 110 Page: 23 Registration District: West Ham Civil Parish: Walthamstow Municipal Borough: Address: 53, Warner Road, Walthamstow County: Essex
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How about the Woolwich births with mmn Hogg?
Maureen
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The names look promising Maureen, though not seeing a corresponding marriage? Jan
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Nor do I,Jan. Oddly-it looks as though the whole bunch of them were re-registered in 1968. :-S :-S
Maureen
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I think it might be worth investigating the names you have found. Could be any number of reasons for the discrepancy. Interesting one this isn't it!
EDIT I see Ronald MMN Hogg was Ronald C too - surely worth a look!
Jan
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Have just checked out the 1968 registrations and I see he was indeed Ronald Clifford. Brilliant find Maureen, how on earth did you do this! Jan
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LOL! Sometimes you just get lucky!!!
Actually,I saw this fellow on Ancestry: New York Passenger Lists, 1820-1957 about Ronald Clifford Smith Name: Ronald Clifford Smith Arrival Date: 6 Dec 1943 Birth Year: abt 1922 Birth Location: England Birth Location Other: chadwell heath Age: 21 Gender: Male Ethnicity/RaceĀ/Nationality: English Port of Departure: Greenock, United Kingdom Port of Arrival: New York, New York Ship Name: Aquitania
He's a ship's steward-born in the right place,married and living in Eltham...so I took a wild guess and looked for Smith births in Woolwich. Imagine my surprise when all those names showed up!!!
(Same fellow seems to have made a few voyages up to 1945 as a crew member).
Maureen :-)
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If anyone thinks I'm getting too close to living people here just tell me and I'll delete:
I think this is Ronald's wife: England & Wales, Birth Index: 1916-2005 about Elsie R Hogg Name: Elsie R Hogg Mother's Maiden Surname: Graves Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1917 Registration district: Bromley Inferred County: Kent Volume Number: 2a Page Number: 785 ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, England & Wales, Marriage Index: 1916-2005 about Elsie R Hogg Name: Elsie R Hogg Spouse Surname: Nicholson Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1938 Registration district: Dartford Inferred County: Kent Volume Number: 2a Page Number: 2815 ............... England & Wales, Marriage Index: 1916-2005 about Elsie R Nicholson Name: Elsie R Nicholson Spouse Surname: Smith Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1960 Registration district: Surrey Northern Inferred County: Surrey Volume Number: 5g Page Number: 1028
England & Wales, Marriage Index: 1916-2005 about Ronald C Smith Name: Ronald C Smith Spouse Surname: Smith Or Nicholson Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1960 Registration district: Surrey Northern Inferred County: Surrey Volume Number: 5g Page Number: 1028 Find Spouse: Find Spouse .......................
So they ended up in Aus.???? http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/AUS-NEWSPAPER-EXTRACTS/2010-03/1270068664
SMITH, The Courier Mail|01 April 2010 SMITH, Elsie Rouen, late of Sunny Cove, Gladstone. Passed away suddenly at the Gladstone Hospital, Friday, 26th March, 2010. Aged 92 Years Dearly loved Wife of Ronald (decd), cherished Mother, Mother- in-law, Grandmother, Great- grandmother and Great-great- grandmother, dearly loved Friend to Dick Vandershoot and his Family. Relatives and Friends are respectfully invited to attend Elsies Funeral Service to be held at the Boyne Tannum Memorial Parklands Crematorium Chapel, Pioneer Drive, Boyne Island, Tuesday, 6th April, 2010 commencing 11 a.m. In the care of GLADSTONE VALLEY FUNERALS
Maureen
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Thankyou all for the info. I am sure they did go to Aus but shame nothing was found for the 5 children Regards jenny
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