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Ronald Clifford Smith

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Jennifer

Jennifer Report 10 Apr 2012 12:25

Sorry, i know the surname of Smith is awful but hey will give it a try.
All i have is Ronald Clifford Smith b 7 12 1922 in the London area. Do not know who he married but they had 5 children, Ronald, Pamela,Brenda, Barry and Sally. I got this info from my aunt who has just died and she had started a family tree and that was all there was on it. His parents were George William Smith b 1910 and Ethel Norah Clarke. The other children from Ethel and George were Lillian b 1911, Doris b 1920 Iris b 1918 and Ronald b 1922. Thanks who ever may be looking at this
Jenny

brummiejan

brummiejan Report 10 Apr 2012 12:34

Are you 100% sure of birth date?

Name: Ronald Clifford Smith
Birth Date: 15 Jan 1921
Date of Registration: Nov 1989
Age at Death: 68
Registration district: Lewisham
Inferred County: London
Volume: 14
Page: 484


Having said that, there is an Ancestry tree with a Ronald Clifford Smith, death year at 1979 - they even have cause of death, but no wife or children recorded.

EDIT that's a different Clifford, different parents.

Jan

Andrew

Andrew Report 10 Apr 2012 12:41

Relation Condition/
Yrs married Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation Where Born Original
census
image

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SMITH, George William Head Married M 24 1887 Milkman Surrey Bermondsey VIEW
SMITH, Ethel Norah Wife Married
1 years F 20 1891 London Hammersmith VIEW
SMITH, Lillian Norah Daughter Single F 0 (2 MONTHS) 1911 Essex Walthamstow VIEW
SMITH, Albert John Leonard Brother Single M 15 1896 Shop Boy Essex Walthamstow VIEW

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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
9534 Reference:
RG14PN9534 RG78PN509 RD188 SD5 ED15 SN194

Registration District:
West Ham Sub District:
South East Ham Enumeration District:
15 Parish:
East Ham

Address:
196 Burges Road East Ham E County:
Essex

Andy

Maddie

Maddie Report 10 Apr 2012 12:48

could this be george 1891
SMITH, Henry J Head Married M 38 1853 Stationery Engine Driver
Bermondsey
Surrey VIEW
SMITH, Rose A Wife Married F 30 1861
Lambeth
Surrey VIEW
SMITH, Henry L Son M 8 1883 Scholar
Southwark
Surrey VIEW
SMITH, Rose M Daughter F 6 1885 Scholar
Bermondsey
Surrey VIEW
SMITH, Beatrice J Daughter F 4 1887 Scholar
Bermondsey
Surrey VIEW
SMITH, George W Son M 2 1889
Bermondsey
Surrey VIEW
GOODWIN, Charlotte Sister In Law Single F 18 1873 General Servant
Southwark
Surrey VIEW
GOODWIN, Maria Sister In Law Single F 15 1876 General Servant
Bermondsey
Surrey VIEW
Piece:
362 Folio:
14 Page:
19 Registration District:
St Saviour Southwark

Civil Parish:
Newington Municipal Borough:
Newington Address:
53, Beckway Street, Newington, London County:
London

brummiejan

brummiejan Report 10 Apr 2012 12:48

Jennifer, there is an option which is long-winded but worth it if you are determined!
Have you looked for marriages on Freebmd? I would look at the most likely years first - I always start with when the person was in their 20's/early 30's and work outwards! So start with 1940-55 say.
Pick out the ones which are roughly in area and note spouse's surname.
Then look for births matching this. If you get matches with the children's names it should catch your eye.
As I say, long-winded but if you have some time on your hands ... ! At least you have reasonable names for his children.
Jan

brummiejan

brummiejan Report 10 Apr 2012 12:50

His birth:

Births Mar 1923 (>99%)
Smith Ronald C Clarke Romford 4a 957

Maddie

Maddie Report 10 Apr 2012 12:50

ethel 1901
CLARKE, Elizabeth Head Widow F 45 1856 Dressmaker
Chelsea
London VIEW
CLARKE, Ethel N Daughter Single F 11 1890 School Girl
Hammersmith
London VIEW
CLARKE, Robert T Son M 7 1894 School Girl
Hobborn
London VIEW
CLARKE, Harry E Son M 5 1896
Woodgreen
Middlesex VIEW
ELKINTON, Elizabeth Mother Widow F 73 1828 Living With Daughter
Chelsea
London VIEW
CLARKE, John Son Single M 18 1883 Private Gienariel Guards
Windsor
Berkshire VIEW
Piece:
1633 Folio:
110 Page:
23 Registration District:
West Ham

Civil Parish:
Walthamstow Municipal Borough:
Address:
53, Warner Road, Walthamstow County:
Essex

Marked As Answer Marked as Answered

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 10 Apr 2012 13:02

Have you looked in 'search trees'?

MaureeninNY

MaureeninNY Report 10 Apr 2012 13:06

How about the Woolwich births with mmn Hogg?

Maureen

brummiejan

brummiejan Report 10 Apr 2012 13:59

The names look promising Maureen, though not seeing a corresponding marriage?
Jan

MaureeninNY

MaureeninNY Report 10 Apr 2012 14:06

Nor do I,Jan. Oddly-it looks as though the whole bunch of them were re-registered in 1968. :-S :-S

Maureen

brummiejan

brummiejan Report 10 Apr 2012 14:16

I think it might be worth investigating the names you have found. Could be any number of reasons for the discrepancy.
Interesting one this isn't it!

EDIT I see Ronald MMN Hogg was Ronald C too - surely worth a look!

Jan

brummiejan

brummiejan Report 10 Apr 2012 14:25

Have just checked out the 1968 registrations and I see he was indeed Ronald Clifford. Brilliant find Maureen, how on earth did you do this!
Jan

MaureeninNY

MaureeninNY Report 10 Apr 2012 14:42

LOL! Sometimes you just get lucky!!!

Actually,I saw this fellow on Ancestry:
New York Passenger Lists, 1820-1957 about Ronald Clifford Smith
Name: Ronald Clifford Smith
Arrival Date: 6 Dec 1943
Birth Year: abt 1922
Birth Location: England
Birth Location Other: chadwell heath
Age: 21
Gender: Male
Ethnicity/RaceĀ­/Nationality: English
Port of Departure: Greenock, United Kingdom
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Ship Name: Aquitania

He's a ship's steward-born in the right place,married and living in Eltham...so I took a wild guess and looked for Smith births in Woolwich. Imagine my surprise when all those names showed up!!!

(Same fellow seems to have made a few voyages up to 1945 as a crew member).

Maureen :-)

MaureeninNY

MaureeninNY Report 10 Apr 2012 15:20

If anyone thinks I'm getting too close to living people here just tell me and I'll delete:

I think this is Ronald's wife:
England & Wales, Birth Index: 1916-2005 about Elsie R Hogg
Name: Elsie R Hogg
Mother's Maiden Surname: Graves
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1917
Registration district: Bromley
Inferred County: Kent
Volume Number: 2a
Page Number: 785
,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
England & Wales, Marriage Index: 1916-2005 about Elsie R Hogg
Name: Elsie R Hogg
Spouse Surname: Nicholson
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1938
Registration district: Dartford
Inferred County: Kent
Volume Number: 2a
Page Number: 2815
...............
England & Wales, Marriage Index: 1916-2005 about Elsie R Nicholson
Name: Elsie R Nicholson
Spouse Surname: Smith
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1960
Registration district: Surrey Northern
Inferred County: Surrey
Volume Number: 5g
Page Number: 1028


England & Wales, Marriage Index: 1916-2005 about Ronald C Smith
Name: Ronald C Smith
Spouse Surname: Smith Or Nicholson
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1960
Registration district: Surrey Northern
Inferred County: Surrey
Volume Number: 5g
Page Number: 1028
Find Spouse: Find Spouse
.......................

So they ended up in Aus.????
http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/AUS-NEWSPAPER-EXTRACTS/2010-03/1270068664

SMITH,
The Courier Mail|01 April 2010
SMITH,
Elsie Rouen, late of Sunny
Cove, Gladstone. Passed away
suddenly at the Gladstone Hospital,
Friday, 26th March, 2010.
Aged 92 Years
Dearly loved Wife of Ronald
(decd), cherished Mother, Mother-
in-law, Grandmother, Great-
grandmother and Great-great-
grandmother, dearly loved Friend
to Dick Vandershoot and his
Family.
Relatives and Friends are
respectfully invited to attend
Elsies Funeral Service to be held at
the Boyne Tannum Memorial
Parklands Crematorium Chapel,
Pioneer Drive, Boyne Island,
Tuesday, 6th April, 2010
commencing 11 a.m.
In the care of
GLADSTONE VALLEY
FUNERALS

Maureen

Jennifer

Jennifer Report 10 Apr 2012 18:01

Thankyou all for the info. I am sure they did go to Aus but shame nothing was found for the 5 children
Regards jenny