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Any info on the above would be great as we have hit a brick wall.

My uncle - David William Stone born 18/03/1942 is desperate for info on his father believed to be Horace Stanley Stone born 03/08/1896 in Hampshire. Davids mother was Stella, maiden name Lally born 25/05/1918 in Walsingham, Co Durham.

Horace was born in England but joined the Canadian army, date of enlistment was 07/09/1939 when reading his army papers it says he was married to a Ellen Margaret Stone - which tells us Horace was not married to stella. But on Davids birth cert it says father Horace Stone and mother Stella Stone (formally Lally)

Is there any possible way i can find out if he was married to Stella

Confusing i know - but uncle is desperate to know

Surname First name(s) Spouse District Vol Page

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Marriages Dec 1940 (>99%)
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Lalley Helen Stone Holborn 1b 1259
Stone Horace S Lalley Holborn 1b 1259

Have you got the death cert?


England & Wales, Death Index: 1916-2005
about Horace Stanley Stone
Name: Horace Stanley Stone
Birth Date: 3 Aug 1896
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1971
Age at Death: 74
Registration district: Newham
Inferred County: Greater London
Volume: 5e
Page: 2048

???


England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
about Horace Stanley Stone
Name: Horace Stanley Stone
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1896
Registration district: Rugby
Inferred County: Leicestershire, Northamptonshire, Warwickshire
Volume: 6d
Page: 575

Is this your man?


Canada, Ocean Arrivals (Form 30A), 1919-1924
about Horace Stanley Stone
Name: Horace Stanley Stone
Gender: Male
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1897
Birth Place: Rugby, England
Age: 26
Date of Arrival: 10 Aug 1923
Port of Arrival: Halifax, Nova Scotia
Port of Departure: London, England
Ship Name: Pittsburgh

1901 England Census
about Horace S Stone
Name: Horace S Stone
Age: 4
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1897
Relation: Grandson
Mother's Name: Fanny Stone
Gender: Male
Where born: Rugby, Warwickshire, England

Civil parish: Bishops Tachbrook
Ecclesiastical parish: Bishops Tachbrook St Chad
Town: Bishops Tachbrook
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England

Registration district: Warwick
Sub-registration district: Leamington
ED, institution, or vessel: 27
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 70
Piece: 2934
Folio: 38
Page Number: 10
Household Members: Name Age
George West 59
Mary A West 59
Lizzie West 25
Fanny Stone 32
Eric W Stone 7
Hilda M Stone 6
Horace S Stone 4
Arthur B Stone 2
Harold F Stone 1

Hi Gins,

I did see that one for Horace travelling to Canada, unable to see anything for him returning to the UK !!!

Lynne

If he was in the forces he may not be on a passenger list

Thank you so much for your replies xxx

No, i dont have his death cert, all we know was that he was not killed during the war as he was discharged back to England on the 07/09/1945 back to his home of 103 Ponsonby Buildings, Treveris Street, Blackfriers, London which was the address he was living at when registered for the army (also the address of his wife Ellen)

Desperate to know if he married Stella??

Hi Joanna,

Quick question:

Who did your uncle know as his mother? Presumably he would live with his mother whilst his father was away in Canada????

Did your uncle know his father?

I'm having difficulty finding a birth for Stella Lally. Found it now, also found one marriage, as follows:

Name: Stella M Lally
Spouse Surname: Rowe
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1948
Registration district: Northumberland South
Inferred County: Northumberland
Volume Number: 1b
Page Number: 1069
Find Spouse: Robert A Rowe


Lynne

Births Jun 1918 (>99%)
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Lally Stella Pettit Weardale 10a 524

Does the enlistment papers say he was 44ish when he joined up?

Your uncles birth reg gives his mothers maiden name as Lalley not Lally...also born in the south of England

Name: Stella Burt
Birth Date: 25 May 1918
Date of Registration: Sep 1986
Age at Death: 68
Registration district: Sutton
Inferred County: Surrey
Volume: 15
Page: 202

England & Wales, Birth Index: 1916-2005
about Margaret E Lalley
Mother's Maiden Surname: Pettitt
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1917
Registration district: Weardale
Inferred County: Durham
Volume Number: 10a
Page Number: 477 (click to see others on page)

Name: Margaret E Lally
Mother's Maiden Surname: Pettitt
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1917
Registration district: Weardale
Inferred County: Durham
Volume Number: 10a
Page Number: 477 (click to see others on page)


????

Sister of Stella and could also be Ellen Margaret and the Helen who married in 1940?

Hi jax

Yes, he was 44ish when he joined.

There must be a spelling mistake somewhere as i have have Stella's mothers death cert and that says Kate Lally.

My uncle David did live with his mother which i know one of the addresses was 29 Bensham Manor Road, Thornton Heath

Not sure where the name Rowe would have come from - not one i have heard. I know that Stella did marry Harry Burt on the 11/08/1945 as this was my fathers dad, just dont know if Stella married Horace xxx

I have edited my post above but could Stella's sister have married Horace? but it is getting confusing :-)

Or just used her sisters name ??

Jax, thank you for your help in this

Clearly i am not no where near as experienced as yourself

Could you please explain what you mean by your previous post

My uncle always said he felt that something was being kept from him regarding his father - some kind of family secret???

It seems that Stella had a sister called Margaret E if the E stood for Ellen that can also be used as Helen.

If Stella married Horace in 1940 she may have used the name Helen instead for some reason, I dont know the answer or the reason but maybe you should purchase that marriage cert to see who the father was and her age given.

Horace was twice her age but she was also over 21 so she did not need permission to marry....but there is no marriage for a Stella to a Stone.

When Stella married Harry Burt she gave the middle intial as L...where did that come from?

Could it be a possibilty that the siter Margaret DID marry Horace and my nan Stella had some kind of affair with him??

But that would not mae sense surely as on my uncles birth cert mothers name is Stella Stone??

Surely she must have married him??

Any reason on why someone would use a different name to get married (especially her sisters) xx