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thank you wise child, thats really intersting
going to be an interesting challeng to try and find him
regards
maddie

According to the book "Tracing your Ancestors-A-Z Guide" by Pauline Saul
entitlement to copyhold land could only be registered with the Manor court, so in the days before birth certificates, in order to prove descent, the surname of the father of an illegitimate person would continue down the generations either as a double barrelled name, or as an alias.
So in this case, it looks as though the original illegitimacy could have been several generations back.

just found this
why an alias I wonder
Counterpart Lease for Years
Reference Number GB 133 RYCH/3301
Dates of Creation 25 Jul 1709
Scope and Content

Counterpart of a lease for ninety-nine years by Peter Egerton of Shaw within Flixton, esq., to James Johnson alias Ottiwell of Flixton, husbandman, of a cottage with appurtenances.

Endorsed: 'No. 42'.
gets worse not better
Maddie

If there was I couldn't get to it it.
It is rather strange and there seem to be a lot of ottwels in Flixton.
Must be a connection somewhere
regards
Maddie

John Johnson
England, Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
birth: 18 Jul 1799
christening: 25 Aug 1799 DAVY HULME WESLEYAN,?FLIXTON,?LANCASHIRE,?ENGLAND
parents: Richd. Johnson,? Ellen


name: John Johnson
gender: Male
baptism/christening date: 25 Aug 1799
baptism/christening place: DAVY HULME WESLEYAN,FLIXTON,LANCASHIRE,ENGLAND
birth date: 18 Jul 1799
father's name: Richd. Johnson
mother's name: Ellen
indexing project (batch) number: C13331-1
system origin: England-ODM
source film number: 0560881 (RG4 3124)

John Johnson
England, Marriages, 1538–1973
marriage: 29 May 1798 Flixton,?Lancashire,?England
spouse: Mary Rigby


groom's name: John Johnson
bride's name: Mary Rigby
marriage date: 29 May 1798
marriage place: Flixton,Lancashire,England
indexing project (batch) number: M00522-1
system origin: England-ODM
source film number: 847777, 93729

Maddie is right, this crops up more than once. How peculiar! I wonder if you need local help. Is there a main library with a genealogist anywhere near? Or a local family history group of some kind?
jan

Thank you
but what puzzles me is that the and/ or name covers births from 1683 to 1773 so more than one generation
Maddie

Possibly the father was born illegitimately & known by his mother´s maiden name, then took the surname of his stepfather when his mother married.

I have a John Johnson born 1799 in Flxton Lancs, father Richard and mother Ellen.
They appeared to have married in 1792.
IF I am right Richard was born 1773 Flixton, his father being James Johnson or Ottwells. There are several people on IGI with the name Johnson or Ottwell in Flixton.
Has anybody have any idea why the two names

thank you
Maddie