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Trying to trace the birth certificate of my late aunt Florence Emma Holden
born on the 27th August 1913 unfortunately we do not her know place of birth
she had a younger brother Harold who married & had one son,David born 1945 unfortunately lost touch with David , Florence also had an older brother Harry who was killed in France in we believe WWII also a sister believed to be older she married a man named George Holland (no issue) in either Derbyshire or Nottinghamshire & lived in Shirebrook Derbyshire but it is thought Harry & Nellie were born in Staffordshire but brought up in Derbyshire or Notts can't find any more information on Harry, Florence Married John Frederick Buckby
in Shirebrook 1940 they have one son who unfortunately has misplaced his moms birth certificate & would also like to find out where his mom was born as she never spoke of it . regards

Is this her? Do you know her mother's maiden name?

Civil Registration event: Birth
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Name: HOLDEN, Florence E
Registration district: Mansfield
County: Nottinghamshire
Year of registration: 1913
Quarter of registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
Mother's maiden name: Staley
Volume no: 7B
Page no: 165



Name: HOLDEN, Harold
Registration district: Mansfield
County: Nottinghamshire
Year of registration: 1917
Quarter of registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
Mother's maiden name: Staley
Volume no: 7B
Page no: 127


Civil Registration event: Birth
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Name: HOLDEN, Violet A
Registration district: Mansfield
County: Nottinghamshire
Year of registration: 1913
Quarter of registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
Mother's maiden name: Staley
Volume no: 7B
Page no: 165

England & Wales, Marriage Index: 1916-2005 about Nellie Holden
Name: Nellie Holden
Spouse Surname: Holland (George)
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1933
Registration district: Mansfield
Inferred County: Nottinghamshire
Volume Number: 7b
Page Number: 252
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1911 census transcription details for: 25 York Road Shirebrook Mansfield
RG14PN20289 RG78PN1216 RD428 SD2 ED2 SN142
Reg. District: Mansfield
Sub District: Shirebrook
Parish: Shirebrook
Enum. District: 2
Address: 25 York Road Shirebrook Mansfield

HOLDEN, Harold Head Married M 35 1876 Coal Miner Hewer Newhall Derbyshire
HOLDEN, Lizzie Wife Married
14 years F 34 1877 Newhall Derbyshire
HOLDEN, Harry Son M 12 1899 School Newhall Derbyshire
HOLDEN, Ethel Daughter F 10 1901 School Newhall Derbyshire
HOLDEN, Nellie Daughter F 7 1904 School Newhall Derbyshire


Maureen

Which indicates that Florence and Violet were twins.

I think this is her family.

1901 census transcription details for: 63, Wood Lane, Stanton And Newhall (Derby)
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National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG13
Piece: 2639
Book: 138
Page: 15
Reg. District: Burton upon Trent
Sub District: Gresley
Parish: Stanton and Newhall (Derby)
Enum. District: 17
Ecclesiastical District: Newhall St John
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: 63, Wood Lane, Stanton And Newhall (Derby)
County: Staffordshire
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
HOLDEN, Harold Head Married M 25 1876 Coalminer Hewer
Newhall
Derbyshire
HOLDEN, Lizzie Wife Married F 24 1877
Newhall
Derbyshire
HOLDEN, Hilda Mary Daughter Single F 4 1897
Newhall
Derbyshire
HOLDEN, Harry Son Single M 3 1898
Newhall
Derbyshire
HOLDEN, Ethel Daughter Single F 0 (7 MOS) 1901
Newhall
Derbyshire

Civil Registration event: Marriage
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Name: HOLDEN, Harold
Registration district: Burton upon Trent
County: Staffordshire
Year of registration: 1896
Quarter of registration: Apr-May-Jun
Spouse's last name: Not available before 1912
Volume no: 6B
Page no: 659

MarriageFinder: Harold Holden married one of the following people:

BOFFEY, Elizabeth

STALEY, Elizabeth

JONES, John Thomas

Soldiers Died in the Great War 1914-1919
Name: Harry HOLDEN
Rank: PRIVATE
Initials: H
Birthplace: Newhall, Derbyshire
Residence: Shirebrook, Derbyshire
Enlisted: Mansfield, Notts
Regiment, Corps etc.: Sherwood Foresters (Nottinghamshire and Derbyshire Regiment)
Battalion etc.: 10th Battalion.
Formed at Derby 13.9.14-K2-to 51st Bde. 17th Div. at Wool. Oct. 1914 West Lulworth. Dec. Wool. Mar. 1915 West Lulworth. June 1915 to Winchester. 14.7.15 landed in France. 11.11.18 51st Bde. 17th Div. France; near Aulnoye.
Number: 50499
Date died: 14 August 1918
How died: Died of wounds
Theatre of war: France & Flanders


The CWGC has a slightly different number for him.


HOLDEN, H

Rank:
Private
Service No:
58499
Date of Death:
14/08/1918
Regiment/Service:
Sherwood Foresters (Notts and Derby Regiment)

10th Bn.
Grave Reference
IV. B. 24.
Cemetery
DAOURS COMMUNAL CEMETERY EXTENSION

Thankyou for your quick reply, I sent away & have received today the birth certificate of Florence Emma Holden born in Mansfield Notts but the certificate says Florence Emma was born on the 25th June 1913 but my Aunt was born on the 27th August 1913 we Do Not know what aunt Florences mothers maiden name was that is what is causing us problems We were sure this must be the correct certificate but the birth date is nearly three months out thankyou so much for your help. On Aunty Florence & Uncle Freds Marriage certificate uncle Fred was age 24 & aunt Florence was 26 years old

How odd! What does it give as her father on her marriage cert? Who were the witnesses?

Maureen

Is this the only evidence of her birth?

Civil Registration event: Death
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Name: BUCKBY, Florence Emma
Registration district: Basford
County: Nottinghamshire
Year of registration: 1988
Month of registration: March
Date of birth: 27 August 1913
Volume no: 8
Page no: 119
Reg no: 388

is this the birth cert you sent for?

Births Dec 1913 (>99%)
Holden Florence E Staley Mansfield 7b 165

if so it seems rather odd that the birth date on it is in June. Allowing for the fact that births should be registered within 6 weeks the leatest qtr that a June birth could be registered in is Sept, whereas a late Aug birthday could be reg (just) in Dec qtr

it would help if you could give us her fathers details from the marriage certificate. Do they match that on the birth certificate? Could Florence have been born before marriage and be registered under a different surname.

Sister's marriage ?


Marriages Jun 1933
Holden Nellie - Holland Mansfield 7b 252
Holland George - Holden Mansfield 7b 252
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The twin sadly died.

Name: HOLDEN, Violet A
Registration district: [?] Mansfield
County: Nottinghamshire
Year of registration: 1913
Quarter of registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
Age at death:0
Volume no: 7B
Page no: 92

Births Jun 1898
Holden Harry - Burton 6b 421



Births Sep 1900
Holden Ethel - Burton 6b 416


Births Jun 1904
HOLDEN Nellie - Burton 6b 435

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Births Sep 1896
Holden Hilda Mary - Burton 6b 400


If the parents on these certs match those on Florence's birth, I would say someone maybe got the birthday wrong.

I may be a bit slow, but if you have the bc of Florence Emma, surely it has the mother's maiden name, which according to previous posts is Elizabeth Staley. Unless Elizabeth was previously married, that is what the bc should say.

Does it? And does it show a time of birth for Florence Emma, as was the case for births of twins?

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Marriages Jun 1896

HOLDEN Harold - Burton 6b 659
Staley Elizabeth - Burton 6b 659

Thankyou all, first answer to Lancashire Ann Yes the certificate i have received is the one you have also found for Florence Emma born Mansfield Notts & her mothers maiden name is Staley on the certificate as we don't know the maiden name of Florence Emma & nobody left to ask , we thought maybe we had the correct certificate But the date of birth is wrong or maybe the wrong date was entered onto the birth certificate as you have all said could & does happen sometimes Madmeg, my aunt mentioned a few times that she had a twin sister who died at birth but she never mentioned her twins name I have just looked at the bith certificate I have & there isn't a time of birth on it Mike you have the right marriage for my aunt's sister Nellie & Brother -in-law George Holland thankyou

***avilgal ***you have the correct date of my aunts death march 1988 she was in a nursing home & died on my mums birthday Florence Emma 's husband & my dad were brothers mum & aunt were very close unfortunately mum died 6 weeks later , MaureeninNY thankyou I can remember visiting my aunt Florence Emma's brother Harold ,& Harolds wife Bessie & their son David at 25 York Road Shirebrook , Just phoned my cousin in England he is Florence Emma 's son & he said he thinks his mum once told us her twins name was Agatha which accounts for the Violet A Holden .fathers name on John Frederick Buckby & Florence Emma Holden marriage certificate was my Granfather Ernest Willie Buckby & Harold Holden both coalminers the witnesses were My aunt Alice May Buckby & C Tipple Florence Emma married from 25 York Road Shirebrook thankyou prickly Holly thankyou all especially for the information of Pte Harry Holden God Bless you all
regards

so that does seem as though that was the wrong birth certificate

I would have guessed that if her twin lived long enough to be named and registered then there should be a time of birth on the certificate