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Thank you all ;i was interested in what happened to all 3 brothers but Samuel is the one to add to our family tree even if by adoption he was our great-grandfather .he brought up maisie Roberts as his own until he died .somewhere between 1911 census and her marriage in 1924

I have no proof that lilian was adopted but poor Martha harriet Hollis married robert broadfield in 1885 waited til 1891 to have her 1st child a boy who died within the year .then another 5 years to have lucy/lercy 1896 and another 4 before adopting /having Lilian 1900 only to have her husband die in the following decade .My mother said she was alovely lady and my grandmother remained great friends with Lucy all her life .Although she wasn't a blood relative she ws like a sister . Lucy +Tom cookson didn't have children of their own and were very kind to my mother +aunties .

I found Edward Hallis(eldest son of Samuel) living with wife Ellen on 1911census in Samuel st . .(EDIT This is the wrong Edward )
daughter Ethel b1901
and neice MAISIE b.1909 Everton (presumably edward 's brother George's daughter)
so the trait of caring for other peoples children continues in this family

so sorry ANN/Cardiff I skirted over your 1st answer to this post assuming it was my grandma Maisie Hallis born 1 dec 1899 .

Just for the record, Maiasie has been transcribed as Jessie. Have sent correction.

1911 England Census
about Jessie Hollis
Name: Jessie Hollis
Age in 1911: 2
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1909
Relation to Head: Niece
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Civil parish: Everton
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street Address: 32 Samuel St Everton Liverpool
Registration district: West Derby
Registration District Number: 455
Sub-registration district: North Everton
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Piece: 22492
Household Members: Name Age
Edward Hollis 37
Ellen Hollis 37
Ethel Hollis 10
Jessie Hollis 2 >>>Maisie on image




Andy

Thanks Andy ;are you related to them ?
My grandma 's name is transcribed variously as Mary .May Massie and maisie in different documents ;Surname is usually Hallisor Hollis but I wonder if the first letter could be mistranscribed elsewhere which could be why the 3 workhouse brothers disappear in 1861 census and 1871 (although John turned up at Olive st with wife + daughter )

No relation. Just do lookups on the boards,

Andy

On 1901 and 1911 census Samuel is clearly handwritten Hallis with an A
This is the spelling on my grandmothers school certificate +her marriage cert .
Also i have this spelling for Martha (Samuel's daughter)on a certificate from"girls friendly society 1885 which she pased on to Nana Maisie as a treasured item .
Why do his Son Edward + Wife Ellen, daughter Edith and their neice Maisie b.1909 all have the surname Hollis with O spelling ??

Ethel Dorothy Hollis born 19/4/1900 8b 450 died unmarried 18/4/1961 probate to Beatrice Ethel Crook and William George Hollis dock foreman £3451 4s 2d

baptised by Edward and Ellen Hollis in 1900 address 91 Abbott Street.

Anyone found the birth reg of Maisie their neice?

Maryb

I.ve looked on freebmd for Maisie Hollis b1909 but not found her

re wierd spelling of Lercy for Lucy Broadfield ,my mother remembers that robert broadfield was illiterate his wife taught him to read from the bible so a combination of his pronunciation and lack of knowledge could have led to that the Maisie/jessie spelling alternatives in 1911census but is more likely to be a mistranscription from handwriting to print .(thanks for spotting that Andy)

Have you seen this one????????

Births Mar 1909 (>99%)
Hollis Mazie Elizabeth W. Derby 8b 601

The district W. Derby is an alternative name for West Derby and it is in the county of Lancashire

poor little Maizie Elizabeth Hollis died aged 4 west derby

a Mary Hollis was in the workhouse for girls in 1841 census She would be sister to John ,Robert + EDIT THE HOLLIS boys(not Samuel Hallis) . I know their father was William in prison in1841 , but I have to go back further as i have William's potential brother Edward but can't check without knowing their parents name .
It's an amazing co-incidence as a GR member said his Sam woodruff Hollis was actually adopted aged 11 by Edward Hollis who was 59 at the time .

whichdocuments shall isend for ? nana maisie's brother Edward could be in everton in 1911 married to Ellen with daughter Ethel+ neice maizie E.
or could be unmarried childless Edward Hollis who went to south africa to workon railways (found by an Ancestry friend)on returning to GB in 1930's he lived in Greenfield St . is that too much of a coincidence ,nana got married in 1924 from no.3 .

Trying to prove or disprove that the Edward with wife and daughter in 1911 is your family or not.


???

Deaths Mar 1947 Hollis Edward P 74 Ormskirk 10f 251


Name: Edward Percy Hollis
Probate Date: 20 Feb 1947
Death Date: 1 Jan 1947
Death Place: Liverpool, England
Registry: Liverpool, England


Edward Percy Hollis of 8 Avondale Avenue, Maghull near Liverpool died 1 January 1947. Administration to Ethel Dorothy Hollis, Spinster. Effects £1177. 6s. 2d.


Also for the same man

Name: Edward Percy Hollis
Probate Date: 11 Feb 1963
Death Date: 1 Jan 1947
Death Place: Lancashire, England
Registry: Liverpool, England


Address the same as above but Administration to Beatrice Ethel Crook married woman and William George Hollis Dock Foreman. Effects £3,250.


Did your Edward have the middle name Percy?

This would be the birth for the above man

Births Dec 1872 HOLLIS Edward Percy W. Derby 8b 568



Name: Beatrice Ethel Crook
Birth Date: 1 Jan 1899
Date of Registration: Nov 1985
Age at Death: 86
Registration district: Liverpool
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume: 36
Page: 382


Marraige of above Beatrice?

Marriages Jun 1922
CHARLTON Beatrice E Crook W.Derby 8b 422
Crook Thomas S Charlton W.Derby 8b 422


So this would be her in 1911?

Name: Beatrice Ethel Charlton
Age in 1911: 12
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1899
Relation to Head: Daughter
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Liverpool
Civil parish: West Derby
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street Address: 48 Milroy St Edge Hill Liverpool
Registration district: West Derby
Registration District Number: 455
Sub-registration district: West Derby Western
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Piece: 22562
Household Members: Name Age
Arthur Charlton 42 Journeyman Bricklayer, Widower
Ellen Bertha Charlton 19
Beatrice Ethel Charlton 12
Arthur Owens Gillard Charlton 10
William John Charlton 7

Arthur's wife was Jane Owens. So maybe Beatrice was a Neice of Edward Percy Hollis?




Name: Ethel Dorothy Hollis
Birth Date: 19 Apr 1900
Baptism Date: 29 Jul 1900
Parish: Everton St George
Father's Name: Edward Hollis
Mother's name: Ellen Hollis


Name: Ethel D Hollis
Birth Date: abt 1901
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1961
Age at Death: 60
Registration district: Liverpool South
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume: 10d
Page: 403


Name: Ethel Dorothy Hollis
Probate Date: 17 Oct 1962
Death Date: 18 Apr 1961
Death Place: Lancashire, England
Registry: Liverpool, England


Ethel Dorothy Hollis, Spinster of 8 Avondale Avenue Maghull, Liverpool died at The Northern Hospital Liverpool. Administration to Beatrice Ethel Crook married woman and William George Hollis, dock labourer. Effects £3,541. 4s. 2d.




????

Births Jun 1891 Hollis William George W. Derby 8b 534

Name: William George Hollis
Birth Date: 14 Mar 1891
Baptism Date: 11 Oct 1891
Parish: Edge Hill St Cyprian
Father's Name: William George Hollis, Joiner
Mother's name: Harriet Hollis
Address: 35 Eastwood Street

1901 - The William George Hollis that was the Adminitrator on the probate of Edward Percy

Name: William G Hollis
Age: 40
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1861
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Harriet Hollis
Gender: Male
Where born: Liverpool, Lancashire, England

Civil parish: West Derby
Ecclesiastical parish: Edge Hill St Cyprian
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: West Derby
Sub-registration district: West Derby, Western
ED, institution, or vessel: 28
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 193
Piece: 3490
Folio: 171
Page Number: 29
Household Members: Name Age
William G Hollis 40
Harriet Hollis 32
Florence A Hollis 12
William G Hollis 10 <<<<<< Nephew of Edward Percy Hollis
Edward Hollis 7
Margaret Hollis 5




1881 - Brothers Edward Percy and William George with their parents/


Name: George Hollis
Age: 46
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1835
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Mary Hollis
Gender: Male
Where born: Ashbourne, Derbyshire, England

Civil parish: West Derby
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address: 37 Brenner St
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status: View image
Occupation: Coachman Domestic

Registration district: West Derby
Sub-registration district: West Derby (Municipal)
ED, institution, or vessel: 58
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 3709
Folio: 91
Page Number: 16
Household Members: Name Age
George Hollis 46
Mary Hollis 43
Mary E. Hollis 22
William G. Hollis 20
Catherine E. Hollis 15
John A. Hollis 13
Robert H. Hollis 10
Edward P. Hollis 8
Alexandra F. Hollis 5
Ernest F. Hollis 3
Walter A.S. Hollis
Rachel Hollis 1

The Edward living in Samuel Street in 1911, I think is Edward Percy Hollis son of George and Mary Hollis. I don't think that his father's name is Samuel.

Name: Edward Percy Hollis
Birth Year: abt 1873
Age: 26
Marriage Date: 3 Dec 1899
Parish: Edge Hill St Cyprian
Spouse's Name: Ellen Owens
Father's Name: William George Hollis (Deceased) Coachman
Spouse Father's Name: John Owens (Deceased) Farm Bailliff

Witnesses Robert Barber and Alexandra Florence Hollis


I think this is Ellen in 1881 with her paents and sister Jane (the mother of Beatrice Ethel Crook)

Name: John Owens
Age: 56
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1825
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Eliza Owens
Gender: Male
Where born: Queen Camel, Somerset, England

Civil parish: Queen Camel
County/Island: Somerset
Country: England

Street Address: High Street
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status: View image
Occupation: Agricultural Laborer

Registration district: Wincanton
Sub-registration district: Castle Cary
ED, institution, or vessel: 11
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 2395
Folio: 139
Page Number: 18
Household Members: Name Age
John Owens 56
Eliza Owens 51
George Owens 15
Jane Owens 12
Henry Owens 11
Ellen Owens 7
Samuel Coles 77

1901

Name: Jane Charlton
Age: 32
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1869
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Arthur Charlton
Gender: Female
Where born: Queen Camel, Somerset, England

Civil parish: West Derby
Ecclesiastical parish: Edge Hill St Stephen
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: West Derby
Sub-registration district: West Derby, Western
ED, institution, or vessel: 63
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 75
Piece: 3495
Folio: 151
Page Number: 13
Household Members: Name Age
Arthur Charlton 32
Jane Charlton 32 <<<<<<<<<<< sister of the Ellen who married Edward P Hollis
Ellen B Charlton 9
Beatrice E Charlton 2
Arthur O G Charlton 6 Months

Thanks rootgatherer so that is the wrong Edward ;you've saved me the price of a wedding certificate .
the other one married a lilian alice hird (b1876) in 1897
In 1912 he left london age 40 to work as South African railway official is that a natural progression for a blacksmith ?
In 1936 aged 64 he comes to Greenfield street (where his sister martha h Evans still lives at no 3 with her daughter+ husband Lucy +Tom Cookson

seems unlikely that he had any children ....

I suppose if I get his death certificate that may say 1960 aged 84 died Birkenhead .

I've just spent an hour in the library unable to find this Edward + his wife (lillian )Alice on 1901 /1911 census .

did find a possible marriage 8b146 for
Edward Hollis labourer who went to canada aged 26 on12th jan 1899

i found a possible father for the workhouse boys
in 1851 census there is a William Holl b1806 who unfortunately is a pauper in Hindley Workhouse proffession (former labourer) .
in 1861 there is a William Holls aged 55 a widower and a labourer b.Lancs but I don't know how to check it is the same one .

My sister Brigid has put this adoptive family on her family tree but i'm keeping the birth parents on my tree .Hope to get some matches but it does look like most of the line ended childless .