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Yes they turned up on ships ....
so

LATEST UPDATE ; george Hallis + had Rose Hallis who lived +died ?

in South Africa

Edward and Lily ..had children ....oops not got file to hand will give link to relevant thread on Ro ts chat

in 1901 Edward Hallis was probably already in south Africa as a Railway official
his wife Lillian Alice Hallis was living with her father + mother Thomas + Mary Hird
her occupation was given as milliner


the 1912 shipping record is a edward coming back TO GB on a visit via Mozambique in 1912 he was a resident of South Africa by then

George Hallis also went to US
and his wife Mary Eliza Hallis nee Long went with him or joined him
daughter Rose Hallis

i haven't found their shipping records but

have been told there is evidence of them on Familysearch

Rose Mills (born Hallis) aged 49 married Stewart Frank Mills aged 54 both divorcees

at port shepston Natal south Africa

Thanks ; Mary ;another step closer to finding a maternal cousin for my mother (thru adoption) .
Robert (member with Hallis family on his tree) kindly emailed 5 marriage certificates .my mother especially pleased because the one she sent for was printed.
wheras these have her grandfather Samuel Hallis' original signature as witness to martha's wedding .
we now have some more clues on addresses too ;
george was at victoria (illegible) for his marriage in 1897...don't know how long he lived in Norwich but his death ,probate and burial in 1935 are all in birkenhead
Edith's death was given as 10 stoke st in 1906 but this could be a hospital address as she lived with her parents in1901 aged 30
Edward married from 38 bright st birkenhead in 1897

1901 Norwich D29 > 38
50,Onley street ?
George S Hallis 27 a joiner Birkenhead
Mary E 23 barrow in furness
Rose A 2 Norwich.

Maryb

I'll PM that member with a link to this thread .
I can't find George + Mary or Rose Hallis anywhere btwn marriage 1897+ george's death 1935 should come up on 1901/1911 census ...could be more misspellings (runs in the family ...I make plenty myself .)

On a members tree he has George Samual Hallis b1874 married to a Mary Long
with a daughter Rose

Information from Wirral Archives ;
Edward Richard Hallis b 1827 10 millar's place
No Edward Hallis deaths in Cheshire in1960
His marriage to Lilian Hird is correct 11/08/1897
and are confirmed by his army records (I don't have them)

He died in South Africa 1942 (eggsa.org south african graves)

FURTHER INFO on EDWARD HALLIS received in a PM

1872 Birth confirmed to Cheshirebmd (Hallis).
1872 Baptism Record obtained with full do b at 10 Millers Place, Birkenhead.
1881 Census age 9 at 118 Oliver Road, Birkenhead. with parents, (transcribed as E R Wallace)
1891 Census age 19 single at 138 Borough Road, B'head with parents, (Hallis) blacksmith.
1897 Marriage Cert obtained age 25 bachelor at 38 Bright St, Birkenhead - Whitesmith. Wit:- John Brown, Edith Hird & Blanche Thornely Roberts.
1912 21st June - Arrival on Ship 'Dover Castle' to London from Delagoa Bay, Mozambique age 40 - Railway Official. Country of last permanent residence - Union of South Africa.
1927 26 May - Arrival on Ship 'Llanstephan Castle' to London from Durban, South Africa age 55 at 3 Greenfield St, Birkenhead - Railway Official.
1932 18th April - Arrival on Ship 'Carnarvon Castle' to Southampton from Durban, South Africa age 60 at 3 Greenfield St, Birkenhead - Railway Pensioner.
1935 29th April - Arrival on Ship 'Llandaff Castle' to Southampton from Mombasa, Kenya age 63 at 3 Greenfield St, Birkenhead - Retired.
1936 18th May - Arrival on Ship 'Winchester Castle' to Southampton from Durban, South Africa age 64 at 3 Greenfield St, Birkenhead.
1939 5th July - Arrival on Ship 'Pretoria Castle' to Southampton from Beira, Mozambique age 67 at 19 Ashdale Road, Liverpool - Railway Official.

he was coming to stay with sister Martha Harriet Evans at 3 Greenfield st ; but I don't know who lived at 19 ashdale Road

wirral archives have found the graves at Flaybrick cemetary of Samuel Hallis
his wife Mary ,daughter Edith + son George ....I will try + get someone to take a photo as we can't afford a trip up there yet .

Spellings ; I think HALLIS is the correct spelling as it's the one on all documents so far ; so don't persue any more HOLLIS family members !

even the census are pretty consistent (if we ignore the 1881 Wallace spelling).
So tho the story of 3 workhouse brothers is lovely it's probably 2 stories
Much better that "our" Martha Harriet was Samuel's daughter + not his neice tho.

I'll take up the hunt and maybe look for their graves .

Re 3 workhouse brothers ; looks like John +Robert were the sons of William Hollis
but our Samuel Hallis was son of Edward Halls a labourer
so my original premise was all wrong back to drawing board ...he may have had some sisters in that workhouse .

I wonder if the weekly affiliation payments from G.J Fellman for illegitimate Maisie Roberts could have been transfered from her mother Charlotte Roberts to Samuel Hallis who was after all paying for her care from at least 1901 .
"Boarder" does imply payments ....which were supposed to last until she was 14 in 1913 but by 1911 she is down as adopted daughter .

New information from samuel hallis marriage certificate ;1864
His father was edward halls labourer (deceased)
samuel's wife was Mary Ann healey daughter of Edward Healey also a labourer
in Halton on the hill (lancaster).

The other Martha Hollis daughter of John Hollis in Toxteth EDIT is not connected
. I suppose I've now lost the link between the brothers and they could even be different families (*yesthey are). Too busy looking for descendants to trace back ancestors .

Gradually unravelling this one ;so Edith ,George, Martha-Harriet and Edward are all Samuel's birth children
(So I have found some adoptive cousins for my mum after all)

A friend on ancestry is looking into the Hallis who returned toGreenfield st after gong to S/America and lived til his 50's .

correct well done Lynski
Margaret on 1881 census looks like being carelsee handwriting the same person put Wallace for Hallis

Mum +myaunt Sylv are thrilled that the grand old lady they called "aunt Harritit " really was her aunty and "aunty lucy cookson"was her 2nd cousin (BY ADOPTION of course)
maisie was lucy's aunty but they were more like sisters?cousins and lived together from 1919 ish to 1924 when Maisie married from 3 greenfield st
we have a record of Maisies workplace showing that address in 1921 .My sister Brigid has amended her family tree with Samuel + mary A Hollis as birth parents on GR i'm keeping the birth parents on mine .

Could this be the marriage??

Marriages Sep 1864 (>99%)
Hallis Samuel W Derby 8b 870
Healey Mary Ann W Derby 8b 870

In the 1811 census I think that Samuel should be noted as Son-in-law married to her daughter. The 4 children below them could all be children of Samuel and Margaret/Mary Ann, grandchildren of Sarah??

Is this the 1871 census? The dates all seem to be the same or similar?

HALLIS, Samuel Head M 31 1840 Lancashire VIEW
HALLIS, Mary A Wife F 27 1844 Lancashire VIEW
HALLIS, Harriet Daughter F 5 1866 Lancashire VIEW
HALLIS, Edith Daughter F 0 1871 Cheshire VIEW

Piece: 3747
Folio: 127
Page: 38
Registration District: Birkenhead
Civil Parish: Birkenhead
Municipal Borough:
Address: Oliver Street, Birkenhead
County: Cheshire


I wonder if this is Harriet M.???

Births Sep 1865 (>99%)
HALLIS Martha Harriet W. Derby 8b 391

Births Sep 1870 (>99%)
HALLIS Edith Birkenhead 8a 453

Births Mar 1872 (>99%)
HALLIS Edward Richard Birkenhead 8a 491

Wirral archives tell me Samuel didn't leave a will in 1923.

yes that's my ggma charlotte thread
wow you seem to have found one of our missing census years we'd never have thought of looking for Wallace but all the ages correspond
This can't mean Sarah Healey is Samuel Hallis's mother too young to have had at least 3 other children in the decade before .
If she's Margaret's mother then Harriet Martha isn't technically her gma as she's the daughter of samuel's brother John
by 1881 she was living next door to her uncle samuel .lovely to know that they were already close /

This also means that the young Edward Hollis i found in the industrial school in1881 isn't the same family what a relief .

I wonder what spelling will turn up if we ever find the 1871 census

the mystery increases I wonder if Mary Kerfield was Samuel's 2nd wife ? or if margaret And mary are the same woman .

Is this the other thread?

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1300276