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Alisoun

Alisoun Report 16 May 2013 04:15

Why is it so hard to find death of Samuel Hallis ? I know he must have died 1911-1921 and he lived at 1 Greenfield st until his death ; His will would also be interesting if i had the refs to send off for it .
A GR member with a family connection told me his wife Mary's maiden name was Healey

Lynski

Lynski Report 16 May 2013 04:31

Is this it???????

Deaths Mar 1923 (>99%)
HALLIS Samuel 83 Birkenhead 8a 569

His age matches the one in the 1911 census????

Alisoun

Alisoun Report 16 May 2013 04:50

Brilliant thanks Lynski : 1'll email the lovely lady at Wirral Archive office straight away.

edith hallis death b 1870 ancestry friend says death was apr 1906 aged 36 in Chester I wonder if she was still living at greenfield st with my nana aged 6 EDIT Edith's death record april1906 gives address as 10 stoke st)

Lynski

Lynski Report 16 May 2013 05:07

Deaths Jun 1906 (>99%)
Hallis Edith 35 Chester 8a 235

You can find these on this site -

http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl

Lynski

Lynski Report 16 May 2013 05:18

1881 census - wrongly transcribed but Healey is a surname you mentioned in your earlier post?????

HEALEY, Sarah Head Married F 60 1821 Seamstress London, London, Middlesex VIEW
WALLACE, Samuel Son Married M 42 1839 Tailor L Pool, Lancashire VIEW
WALLACE, Margaret Daughter Married F 37 1844 Seamstress L Pool, Lancashire VIEW
WALLACE, H M Grand Daughter Single F 15 1866 Seamstress L Pool, Lancashire VIEW
WALLACE, Edith Daughter Single F 10 1871 Scholar Bhead, Cheshire VIEW
WALLACE, E R Son Single M 9 1872 Scholar Bhead, Cheshire VIEW
WALLACE, G S Son Single M 7 1874 Scholar Bhead, Cheshire VIEW
RILLON, Thomas Boarder Married M 33 1848 Painter Bhead, Cheshire VIEW
RILLON, Sam Boarder Married M 34 1847 Wife Painter Liverpool, Lancashire VIEW
RILLON, William Son Single M 10 1871 Scholar Bhead, Cheshire VIEW
RILLON, James Son Single M 9 1872 Scholar Bhead, Cheshire VIEW

Piece: 3580
Folio: 22
Page: 21
Registration District: Birkenhead
Civil Parish: Birkenhead
Municipal Borough:
Address: 118, Oliver St, Birkenhead
County: Cheshire

Lynski

Lynski Report 16 May 2013 05:35

Is this the other thread?

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1300276



Alisoun

Alisoun Report 16 May 2013 06:58

yes that's my ggma charlotte thread
wow you seem to have found one of our missing census years we'd never have thought of looking for Wallace but all the ages correspond
This can't mean Sarah Healey is Samuel Hallis's mother too young to have had at least 3 other children in the decade before .
If she's Margaret's mother then Harriet Martha isn't technically her gma as she's the daughter of samuel's brother John
by 1881 she was living next door to her uncle samuel .lovely to know that they were already close /

This also means that the young Edward Hollis i found in the industrial school in1881 isn't the same family what a relief .

I wonder what spelling will turn up if we ever find the 1871 census

the mystery increases I wonder if Mary Kerfield was Samuel's 2nd wife ? or if margaret And mary are the same woman .

Alisoun

Alisoun Report 16 May 2013 21:25

Wirral archives tell me Samuel didn't leave a will in 1923.

Lynski

Lynski Report 17 May 2013 04:43

Could this be the marriage??

Marriages Sep 1864 (>99%)
Hallis Samuel W Derby 8b 870
Healey Mary Ann W Derby 8b 870

In the 1811 census I think that Samuel should be noted as Son-in-law married to her daughter. The 4 children below them could all be children of Samuel and Margaret/Mary Ann, grandchildren of Sarah??

Is this the 1871 census? The dates all seem to be the same or similar?

HALLIS, Samuel Head M 31 1840 Lancashire VIEW
HALLIS, Mary A Wife F 27 1844 Lancashire VIEW
HALLIS, Harriet Daughter F 5 1866 Lancashire VIEW
HALLIS, Edith Daughter F 0 1871 Cheshire VIEW

Piece: 3747
Folio: 127
Page: 38
Registration District: Birkenhead
Civil Parish: Birkenhead
Municipal Borough:
Address: Oliver Street, Birkenhead
County: Cheshire


I wonder if this is Harriet M.???

Births Sep 1865 (>99%)
HALLIS Martha Harriet W. Derby 8b 391

Births Sep 1870 (>99%)
HALLIS Edith Birkenhead 8a 453

Births Mar 1872 (>99%)
HALLIS Edward Richard Birkenhead 8a 491

Alisoun

Alisoun Report 17 May 2013 21:10

correct well done Lynski
Margaret on 1881 census looks like being carelsee handwriting the same person put Wallace for Hallis

Mum +myaunt Sylv are thrilled that the grand old lady they called "aunt Harritit " really was her aunty and "aunty lucy cookson"was her 2nd cousin (BY ADOPTION of course)
maisie was lucy's aunty but they were more like sisters?cousins and lived together from 1919 ish to 1924 when Maisie married from 3 greenfield st
we have a record of Maisies workplace showing that address in 1921 .My sister Brigid has amended her family tree with Samuel + mary A Hollis as birth parents on GR i'm keeping the birth parents on mine .

Alisoun

Alisoun Report 24 May 2013 10:14

Gradually unravelling this one ;so Edith ,George, Martha-Harriet and Edward are all Samuel's birth children
(So I have found some adoptive cousins for my mum after all)

A friend on ancestry is looking into the Hallis who returned toGreenfield st after gong to S/America and lived til his 50's .




Alisoun

Alisoun Report 31 May 2013 06:38

The other Martha Hollis daughter of John Hollis in Toxteth EDIT is not connected
. I suppose I've now lost the link between the brothers and they could even be different families (*yesthey are). Too busy looking for descendants to trace back ancestors .

Alisoun

Alisoun Report 5 Jun 2013 13:51

New information from samuel hallis marriage certificate ;1864
His father was edward halls labourer (deceased)
samuel's wife was Mary Ann healey daughter of Edward Healey also a labourer
in Halton on the hill (lancaster).

Alisoun

Alisoun Report 21 Jul 2013 15:33

I wonder if the weekly affiliation payments from G.J Fellman for illegitimate Maisie Roberts could have been transfered from her mother Charlotte Roberts to Samuel Hallis who was after all paying for her care from at least 1901 .
"Boarder" does imply payments ....which were supposed to last until she was 14 in 1913 but by 1911 she is down as adopted daughter .

Alisoun

Alisoun Report 21 Jul 2013 15:44

Re 3 workhouse brothers ; looks like John +Robert were the sons of William Hollis
but our Samuel Hallis was son of Edward Halls a labourer
so my original premise was all wrong back to drawing board ...he may have had some sisters in that workhouse .

brigid

brigid Report 23 Nov 2013 19:28

Spellings ; I think HALLIS is the correct spelling as it's the one on all documents so far ; so don't persue any more HOLLIS family members !

even the census are pretty consistent (if we ignore the 1881 Wallace spelling).
So tho the story of 3 workhouse brothers is lovely it's probably 2 stories
Much better that "our" Martha Harriet was Samuel's daughter + not his neice tho.

I'll take up the hunt and maybe look for their graves .

brigid

brigid Report 7 Dec 2013 22:21

wirral archives have found the graves at Flaybrick cemetary of Samuel Hallis
his wife Mary ,daughter Edith + son George ....I will try + get someone to take a photo as we can't afford a trip up there yet .

brigid

brigid Report 24 Apr 2014 14:38

FURTHER INFO on EDWARD HALLIS received in a PM

1872 Birth confirmed to Cheshirebmd (Hallis).
1872 Baptism Record obtained with full do b at 10 Millers Place, Birkenhead.
1881 Census age 9 at 118 Oliver Road, Birkenhead. with parents, (transcribed as E R Wallace)
1891 Census age 19 single at 138 Borough Road, B'head with parents, (Hallis) blacksmith.
1897 Marriage Cert obtained age 25 bachelor at 38 Bright St, Birkenhead - Whitesmith. Wit:- John Brown, Edith Hird & Blanche Thornely Roberts.
1912 21st June - Arrival on Ship 'Dover Castle' to London from Delagoa Bay, Mozambique age 40 - Railway Official. Country of last permanent residence - Union of South Africa.
1927 26 May - Arrival on Ship 'Llanstephan Castle' to London from Durban, South Africa age 55 at 3 Greenfield St, Birkenhead - Railway Official.
1932 18th April - Arrival on Ship 'Carnarvon Castle' to Southampton from Durban, South Africa age 60 at 3 Greenfield St, Birkenhead - Railway Pensioner.
1935 29th April - Arrival on Ship 'Llandaff Castle' to Southampton from Mombasa, Kenya age 63 at 3 Greenfield St, Birkenhead - Retired.
1936 18th May - Arrival on Ship 'Winchester Castle' to Southampton from Durban, South Africa age 64 at 3 Greenfield St, Birkenhead.
1939 5th July - Arrival on Ship 'Pretoria Castle' to Southampton from Beira, Mozambique age 67 at 19 Ashdale Road, Liverpool - Railway Official.

he was coming to stay with sister Martha Harriet Evans at 3 Greenfield st ; but I don't know who lived at 19 ashdale Road

Alisoun

Alisoun Report 24 Apr 2014 21:08

Information from Wirral Archives ;
Edward Richard Hallis b 1827 10 millar's place
No Edward Hallis deaths in Cheshire in1960
His marriage to Lilian Hird is correct 11/08/1897
and are confirmed by his army records (I don't have them)

He died in South Africa 1942 (eggsa.org south african graves)

brigid

brigid Report 24 Apr 2014 21:31

On a members tree he has George Samual Hallis b1874 married to a Mary Long
with a daughter Rose