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Alisoun

Alisoun Report 3 Apr 2013 21:35

Thanks rootgatherer so that is the wrong Edward ;you've saved me the price of a wedding certificate .
the other one married a lilian alice hird (b1876) in 1897
In 1912 he left london age 40 to work as South African railway official is that a natural progression for a blacksmith ?
In 1936 aged 64 he comes to Greenfield street (where his sister martha h Evans still lives at no 3 with her daughter+ husband Lucy +Tom Cookson

seems unlikely that he had any children ....

I suppose if I get his death certificate that may say 1960 aged 84 died Birkenhead .

Alisoun

Alisoun Report 4 Apr 2013 12:29

I've just spent an hour in the library unable to find this Edward + his wife (lillian )Alice on 1901 /1911 census . How did my friend on ancestry find them that is the site I used .?
did find a possible marriage 8b146 or
edward hollis labourer who went to canada aged 26 on12th jan 1899

Alisoun

Alisoun Report 11 Apr 2013 08:58

i found a possible father for the workhouse boys
in 1851 census there is a William Holl b1806 who unfortunately is a pauper in Hindley Workhouse proffession (former labourer) aged 45 at this time youngest son Samuel was in kirkdale industrial school .
in 1861 there is a William Holls aged 55 a widower and a labourer b.Lancs but I don't know how to check it is the same one .

Alisoun

Alisoun Report 14 May 2013 23:02

My sister Brigid has put this adoptive family on her family tree but i'm keeping the birth parents on my tree .Hope to get some matches but it does look like most of the line ended childless .

Alisoun

Alisoun Report 16 May 2013 04:15

Why is it so hard to find death of Samuel Hallis ? I know he must have died 1911-1921 and he lived at 1 Greenfield st until his death ; His will would also be interesting if i had the refs to send off for it .
A GR member with a family connection told me his wife Mary's maiden name was Healey but I think that may be her sister's married name as a friend on ancestry says Mary Hallis was nee Kerfoot and she died in 1919 ...pity she didn't give me the reference .

Lynski

Lynski Report 16 May 2013 04:31

Is this it???????

Deaths Mar 1923 (>99%)
HALLIS Samuel 83 Birkenhead 8a 569

His age matches the one in the 1911 census????

Alisoun

Alisoun Report 16 May 2013 04:50

Brilliant thanks Lynski : email the lovely lady at Wirral Archive office straight away.
can i be cheeky and ask if you can find edith hallis death too b 1870 ancestry friend says death was apr 1906 aged 36 in Chester I wonder if she too was still living at greenfield st with my nana aged 6 at that time

Lynski

Lynski Report 16 May 2013 05:07

Deaths Jun 1906 (>99%)
Hallis Edith 35 Chester 8a 235

You can find these on this site -

http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl

Alisoun

Alisoun Report 16 May 2013 05:15

oops i should have stopped you doing that last bit of research somehow
as I have another thread searching for my nana Maisie roberts and those census are on there How do i indicate a cross ref to stop anyone else falling into this trap .would you mind deleting the last 2 posts before anyone complains ; thanks so much for the Samuel + edith death refs I'm e mailing the archives next .

Lynski

Lynski Report 16 May 2013 05:18

1881 census - wrongly transcribed but Healey is a surname you mentioned in your earlier post?????

HEALEY, Sarah Head Married F 60 1821 Seamstress London, London, Middlesex VIEW
WALLACE, Samuel Son Married M 42 1839 Tailor L Pool, Lancashire VIEW
WALLACE, Margaret Daughter Married F 37 1844 Seamstress L Pool, Lancashire VIEW
WALLACE, H M Grand Daughter Single F 15 1866 Seamstress L Pool, Lancashire VIEW
WALLACE, Edith Daughter Single F 10 1871 Scholar Bhead, Cheshire VIEW
WALLACE, E R Son Single M 9 1872 Scholar Bhead, Cheshire VIEW
WALLACE, G S Son Single M 7 1874 Scholar Bhead, Cheshire VIEW
RILLON, Thomas Boarder Married M 33 1848 Painter Bhead, Cheshire VIEW
RILLON, Sam Boarder Married M 34 1847 Wife Painter Liverpool, Lancashire VIEW
RILLON, William Son Single M 10 1871 Scholar Bhead, Cheshire VIEW
RILLON, James Son Single M 9 1872 Scholar Bhead, Cheshire VIEW

Piece: 3580
Folio: 22
Page: 21
Registration District: Birkenhead
Civil Parish: Birkenhead
Municipal Borough:
Address: 118, Oliver St, Birkenhead
County: Cheshire

Lynski

Lynski Report 16 May 2013 05:35

Is this the other thread?

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1300276



Alisoun

Alisoun Report 16 May 2013 06:58

yes that's my ggma charlotte thread
wow you seem to have found one of our missing census years we'd never have thought of looking for Wallace but all the ages correspond
This can't mean Sarah Healey is Samuel Hallis's mother too young to have had at least 3 other children in the decade before .
If she's Margaret's mother then Harriet Martha isn't technically her gma as she's the daughter of samuel's brother John
by 1881 she was living next door to her uncle samuel .lovely to know that they were already close /

This also means that the young Edward Hollis i found in the industrial school in1881 isn't the same family what a relief .

I wonder what spelling will turn up if we ever find the 1871 census

the mystery increases I wonder if Mary Kerfield was Samuel's 2nd wife ? or if margaret And mary are the same woman .

Alisoun

Alisoun Report 16 May 2013 21:25

Wirral archives tell me Samuel didn't leave a will in 1923.

Lynski

Lynski Report 17 May 2013 04:43

Could this be the marriage??

Marriages Sep 1864 (>99%)
Hallis Samuel W Derby 8b 870
Healey Mary Ann W Derby 8b 870

In the 1811 census I think that Samuel should be noted as Son-in-law married to her daughter. The 4 children below them could all be children of Samuel and Margaret/Mary Ann, grandchildren of Sarah??

Is this the 1871 census? The dates all seem to be the same or similar?

HALLIS, Samuel Head M 31 1840 Lancashire VIEW
HALLIS, Mary A Wife F 27 1844 Lancashire VIEW
HALLIS, Harriet Daughter F 5 1866 Lancashire VIEW
HALLIS, Edith Daughter F 0 1871 Cheshire VIEW

Piece: 3747
Folio: 127
Page: 38
Registration District: Birkenhead
Civil Parish: Birkenhead
Municipal Borough:
Address: Oliver Street, Birkenhead
County: Cheshire


I wonder if this is Harriet M.???

Births Sep 1865 (>99%)
HALLIS Martha Harriet W. Derby 8b 391

Births Sep 1870 (>99%)
HALLIS Edith Birkenhead 8a 453

Births Mar 1872 (>99%)
HALLIS Edward Richard Birkenhead 8a 491

Alisoun

Alisoun Report 17 May 2013 21:10

correct well done Lynski
Margaret on 1881 census looks like being carelsee handwriting the same person put Wallace for Hallis

Mum +myaunt Sylv are thrilled that the grand old lady they called "aunt Harritit " really was her aunty and "aunty lucy cookson"was her 2nd cousin (BY ADOPTION of course)
maisie was lucy's aunty but they were more like sisters?cousins and lived together from 1919 ish to 1924 when Maisie married from 3 greenfield st
we have a record of Maisies workplace showing that address in 1921 .My sister Brigid has amended her family tree with Samuel + mary A Hollis as birth parents on GR i'm keeping the birth parents on mine .

Alisoun

Alisoun Report 24 May 2013 10:14

Gradually unravelling this one ;so Edith ,George, Martha-Harriet and Edward are all Samuel's birth children (So I have found some adoptive cousins for my mum after all)
A friend on ancestry is looking into the George Hallis who returned toGreenfield st after gong to S/America and lived til his 50's .Will post when I have details .

must do some work work now.




Alisoun

Alisoun Report 31 May 2013 06:38

The other Martha Hollis daughter of John Hollis in Toxteth would be Martha Harriet 's cousin ; Just a coincidence ? or are they both named after their grandmother ? . I suppose I've now lost the link between the brothers and they could even be different families .Been too busy looking for descendants to trace back ancestors .

Alisoun

Alisoun Report 5 Jun 2013 13:51

New information from samuel hallis marriage certificate ;1864
His father was edward halls labourer (deceased)
samuel's wife was Mary Ann healey daughter of Edward Healey also a labourer
in Halton on the hill (lancaster).

Alisoun

Alisoun Report 21 Jul 2013 15:33

I wonder if the weekly affiliation payments from G.J Fellman for illegitimate Maisie Roberts could have been transfered from her mother Charlotte Roberts to Samuel Hallis who was after all paying for her care from at least 1901 .
"Boarder" does imply payments ....which were supposed to last until she was 14 in 1913 but by 1911 she is down as adopted daughter .

Alisoun

Alisoun Report 21 Jul 2013 15:44

Re 3 workhouse brothers ; looks like John +Robert were the sons of William Hollis
but our Samuel Hallis was son of Edward Halls a labourer
so my original premise was all wrong back to drawing board ...he may have had some sisters in that workhouse .